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Kid's Summer Special: Inquire Within [Pic]

Hits: 19433 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: Misc. | Added by: fancylad
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Kalon
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 370 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:57:30 PM
The foreskin solves alot of problems and getting cut just to make it look sleeker is absolutely idotic.

WorstCaseOnt
Male, 30-39, Canada
 215 Posts
Monday, July 23, 2012 7:47:03 AM
I didn't snip my boy. It's cruel, stupid, and anyone with the foreskin knows what the loss of nerves would feel like, you may last longer whilst boning if you snip - but why would anyone want to lose the sensation for longevity? And Darky - Unless you live in Africa or are banging crack whores without a condom regularly, there are 0 benefits to snipping. If you can bare watching the practice on your own boy - then go ahead and snip him... Watch him cry while his little schlong bleeds - then explain to me why you had it done.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Monday, July 23, 2012 5:09:58 AM
theres a reason adults who aren't circumcised are asking to be, and those who aren't, aren't asking not to be.


The great majority of men who haven't had part of their penis cut off are not asking to have it cut off. Those who do are usually doing it as a result of religious or cultural pressure.

Many men who have had it cut off would be "asking not to be" IF THEY COULD INVENT A TIME MACHINE.

Are you really so ignorant of the subject that you think they're all kept in perfect storage and can be reattached any time the man asks for it? Seriously? If so, you're quite mad.

Also, if you don't understand the difference between an elective mutilation chosen by an adult and a non-consensual mutilation forced on a child, you're both mad and dangerous. Don't try to confuse the two. They're not at all the same.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Monday, July 23, 2012 5:02:16 AM
lol uwotm8?


Don't you read your own posts?

You are arguing that sexual abuse of INFANTS (note not children of all ages, specifically infants) is so common in the USA that it puts all infants at a significant risk of being infected with HIV as a result.

Even if you were right (and you aren't), your argument would still be utter bullpoo because infant boys who are being sexually abused aren't generally at risk of HIV infection through their penis.

I'll add your own argument to the growing list of things you are ignorant of.

You're just making up arguments on an ad hoc basis, aren't you? You haven't thought it through, have you?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Monday, July 23, 2012 4:58:08 AM
the rules regarding sex outside of wedlock are from the old testament, hence they are applied to both religions the same (with the 'same' biblical consequences), of course if you knew anything about what you're trying to argue, you would know this.


The old testament of the Christian bible is not part of Islam. They have their own book. Similar in some ways, but not the same.

Your ignorance of that is remarkable and makes your comment about me not knowing anything absolutely hilarious.

You are ignorant of religion. You are ignorant of the roots of the customs of your own country, even when they're little over 100 years old. You're just plain ignorant.

I'll post them for you, oh look, it is 50%, surprise surprise


You didn't even read the content-free summary you linked to. Surprise, surprise.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Monday, July 23, 2012 1:45:09 AM
@darkmagic1an: let me fix this for you:

and those who aren't, aren't asking not to be in the US, where the practice is common. In other countries those who aren't, aren't asking to be, and those who got it as babies decry it.

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4246 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:34:39 PM
f uck religious beleifs, cutting up babies is not ok in any way. if male circumcision is so f ucking great, should we be trying to encourage female circumcision now? what kind of monster cuts off the end of a baby boys penis?

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:23:53 PM
and those who aren'

t, aren't asking not to be.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:22:12 PM
firstly, I hate how using 2 forms of formatting seems to break the replies...

secondly, to continue my rant.
Thirdly, you're ignoring the sexual abuse issue.

lol uwotm8?

US is right around the average for western society (abuse of males in the UK is ~5%, males in the US is ~7.5%; abuse of females in the UK is ~18%, females in the US is ~14.5%). unless of course you're talking about the touching of a child's penis to do the procedure, in which case I just have to stop talking to you.

My point stands anyway - advocates of genital mutilation neither know nor care what the answer to that question is. They're not interested in the truth, only in excuses for their customs.


this thread seems to prove that both sides do this. in fact, the advocates for prevention of 'mutilation,' as you like to put it, are better at ignoring the facts. theres a reason adults who aren't circumcised are asking to be, and those who aren'

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:11:21 PM
[quote">The rules in Islam are often clearer and often obeyed to a larger extent by followers. [/quote">

the rules regarding sex outside of wedlock are from the old testament, hence they are applied to both religions the same (with the 'same' biblical consequences), of course if you knew anything about what you're trying to argue, you would know this.

[quote">Firstly, the studies that actually exist don't show what you claim they show.[/quote">
someone forgot to go finally look at the studies and post the results...I'll post them for you, oh look, it is 50%, surprise surprise

@tedgp: like I said, just read the thread. while the nerve endings may get damaged, it doesn't curb the sensation of sex very much (per the anecdotal evidence in this very thread).

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5607 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:41:01 PM
Angillion is right, and Tedgp- well- I can hope. I hate them all chopped up- no fun to play with. a bit like opening a toy and finding a bit missing. Luckily I live somewhere that most men are intact.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:49:05 AM
quite simply by circumcising your kids arent christians saying that gods 'design' was flawed?


I must remember to ask some Muslims about that contradiction. The ban on changing your god's work is very clearly and explicitly stated in Islam, much more so than in Christianity. For example, cutting a mark into the edge of a cow's ear is explicitly forbidden (it was a common way to identify the cow's owner). It goes that far. Even tattoos are a contentious issue in Islam and generally considered forbidden. So why is permanent mutilation required?

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:10:10 AM
@Angilion: Ah I see, you're right and I fully agree with your position.

And yes, some of them do account for religion, with the expected results. Faith (or religious obedience at least) is often cited as the reason the test subjects won't engage in safer sexual practices.

That's not to say they don't do it because it's in their religion, by and large that's the one part of their book of rules no one is following at all, but that is why they don't wear condoms. Heck, up until recently the government of South Africa was denying that HIV causes AIDS

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 673 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:08:27 AM
quite simply by circumcising your kids arent christians saying that gods 'design' was flawed?

I thought the big cheesus was infallible?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:01:15 AM
Incidentally, jendrian, can you answer the question of whether or not the studies account for the extremely relevant factor of religion? Or, more directly, the frequency of sex, the number of sexual partners and the number of sexual partners of those sexual partners?

My point stands anyway - advocates of genital mutilation neither know nor care what the answer to that question is. They're not interested in the truth, only in excuses for their customs.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:54:47 AM
Buiadh, Angilion, and all the others saying it doesn't decrease the chance of AIDS, it actually does, read the data (if you have access or know of someone with access to scientific medical journals), you'll be surprised at what you find.


I haven't said that there isn't some evidence that it decreases the chance of infection by HIV in some circumstances.

I have said these things:

1) Advocates of genital mutilation have seized on the recent HIV studies in order to pretend that their cultural customs (which are about preventing masturbation, predate the studies and are in no way connected to them) aren't cultural customs. These advocates have not looked at the studies, do not know what the results were and will not make any attempt to find out.

2) Despite their claims, infants in the USA are not routinely sexually abused and so are not all at risk of HIV infection from sexual abuse.

3) Consent is important.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:52:48 AM
haha yeah, I remember seeing some of those pamphlets Angilion mentions once when I first found out circumcision was popular in the US, it makes you feel you're looking at some kind of twisted movie outline.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:48:08 AM
Incidentally, anyone who thinks that the custom of male genital mutilation in the USA has any basis in either Judaism or hygeine should get their heads out of the arses, break the habit of a lifetime and use a few minutes of their time to acquire some knowledge.

It was less than 150 years ago that anti-masturbation hysteria made genital mutilation a custom in the USA. Much of the original material still exists and it's all widely documented. It's even the root of why anaesthetic wasn't used - it was *meant* to be extremely painful in order to more strongly impose the lesson into the victims' minds.

CaptainPabst
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1253 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:46:33 AM
The thing that gets me is its always the religious people that want to change the way God designed your body, as if to say "Im sure he didnt to put this here..."

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:39:47 AM
@scuzoid: the only causation I'm implying is that culturally deluded people will try to convince themselves and others that their barbarism is not only normal but beneficial, and you're constantly proving that point and even fully accept it. What is *your* point man?

I specifically said in the studies I cited before that there is scientifically studied correlation between the practice and the alluded benefits and, darkmagic1an, I am anti-circumcision and I completely agree with the data.

Buiadh, Angilion, and all the others saying it doesn't decrease the chance of AIDS, it actually does, read the data (if you have access or know of someone with access to scientific medical journals), you'll be surprised at what you find.

But like I said before, there are just as many studies that prove regular hygiene and protected sex far, and I mean far reduce your chances of contagion.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:35:23 AM
lets see - 50% less chance of catching an STD or SLIGHT (if any) increased pleasure during sex. I'll take the former


Firstly, the studies that actually exist don't show what you claim they show. Unlike you, I've actually looked at them.

Secondly, you're still ignoring the point that people are making - informed consent. You can decide that it's a good idea to have part of your genitals cut off. That is not the same as forcing the mutilation onto someone else without their consent because it's the custom in your culture.

Thirdly, you're ignoring the sexual abuse issue. You're claiming that in your culture infants are sexually abused so often that anything that might reduce the risk of them being infected by being abused, even permanent mutilation, is justifiable. Why the hell aren't you objecting to the endemic sexual abuse of infants that you're claiming is so very common in your culture?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11358 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:28:48 AM
so does christianity, and yet christians still have sex outside of wedlock.


The rules in Islam are often clearer and often obeyed to a larger extent by followers.

Take, for example, praying. Many Muslims do pray 5 times per day. Not many Christians pray 7 times per day.

I note that you are, as I expected, unable to answer the question and unwilling to even try. Maybe you've already looked and found that it's not the answer you wanted.

tedgp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3283 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:13:26 AM
There are Zero benefits to circumcision, unless you have a severe case of Phimosis.

End if story. and dark, as for nerve endings, yes you do have less of them. The nerve endings get damaged to the point the body cant repair them. Thats the reason the foreskin is there in the first place. To protect the head and the nerves.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 8:17:04 AM
like I said when I first stated there are health benefits, the anti-circumcision people would just dismiss the studies since it doesn't support their argument. and people who keep saying "there are more nerve endings, it feels better," might want to read through the thread. there are first hand accounts of people who had the foreskin removed and the effects to sex were negligible.

lets see - 50% less chance of catching an STD or SLIGHT (if any) increased pleasure during sex. I'll take the former, especially since it means I will last a little longer.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 8:08:47 AM
Islam strongly disapproves of sex outside of marriage


so does christianity, and yet christians still have sex outside of wedlock.

bible also says not to work on the sabbath (coming from the old testament, it would related to all abrahamic religions [judaism, christianity, and islam]), yet, plenty of religious people work on saturday and sunday

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