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Richard Dawkins On Religion And You [Pic]

Hits: 12485 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Science | Added by: fancylad
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MrLill
Male, 18-29, Western US
 362 Posts
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:14:18 PM
religion isn't wrong, but none of them are right.

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:17:04 PM
same can be said when an atheist parent raised an atheist kid, dumbass, your logic sucks monkey butt

MorfeuS
Male, 18-29, Europe
 266 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:09:18 PM
bwhaha..let amurikans do wall of text over a goddam phrase,the religion will disappear eventually and another form of control will took place

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:14:54 AM
jkfld: when you say "Maybe it won't get you anywhere, but it might get someone else who is reading this somewhere." there is no doubt you're right, although it may not in the sense that you're hoping.

Love is the way of the future, and anyone can see the world needs more love. Putting others down, 'riducling' others, and judging others (especially when based on prejudice), are all detrimental of that end. Through faith and trusting in God, a person can learn very deep lessons of love and help bring them into the open to further that end. Those who are looking to further that will find many valuable veins of wisdom in the Holy Bible to further their search.

Those who deny God can argue all they want, even until their last breath, but fact is that people will trust in God forever. This is something they will need to come to terms with on their own.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:41:28 AM
The biblical procedures you listed are abstract exercises in self-abasement and submission to authority. Don't you think it's odd that those who drilled this stuff into your mind when you were a child happened to be the very ones who held themselves as authorities over you? Can't you see how they had the most to benefit by your unquestioning submissiveness? Despite all your talk about the evilness of the ego, can't you see how your compliance to their absurd instructions, your acceptance of their nonsensical assertions, and your enforced ignorance of their sophisticated manipulations worked to feed their ego, their sense of power, and their sense of superiority, all at your expense?

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:09:32 AM
You, on the other had, are instructed by Psalm 14:1 and other passages in the bible to hold *me* in contempt: "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They *are* corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is *no one* who does good." That is an existential pronouncement that no matter what good I do in real life, I am inherently evil by nature. Despite how uncomfortable my "mocking" and "scorn" may make you, I only hold *your beliefs* in contempt, not you.

The oh-so-loving New Testament goes even further. It says in Luke 12:46 I am to be tortured in hell for eternity for my non-belief. You have a problem with me using harsh words against your beliefs when this is what you agree should happen to me because of mine?

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:09:18 AM
jkfld: I understand you strongly disagree, but mocking and scorning never gets anyone anywhere.

Maybe it won't get you anywhere, but it might get someone else who is reading this somewhere. Ridiculous beliefs deserve ridicule. Silence can too easily be misinterpreted as agreement. Pointing out the absurdities and destructiveness of a false belief system in public is good for everyone.

Note that your religion says those who don't believe *are* fools. People like Dawkins and myself are saying you *were fooled* during a particularly vulnerable stage of your cognitive development into believing things you most likely never would have accepted as true had they not been presented as verified truths and slipped in next to actual truths such as "the stove is hot" and "C-A-T spells cat" by trusted authorities responsible for educating you about the world.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:20:39 AM
jadoig: It's full of procedures! It does require a bit of study to bring them together, and some are quite clear, such as:

James 1:21-25 - Meekness toward God's word requires putting away filth and wickedness. Be doers of the word, not just hearers.

James 4:6-10 - God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves in the sight of God and He will exalt you. Therefore be subject to God, draw nigh to Him, cleanse your hands, purify your hearts, be afflicted, mourn, and weep.

There are also some verses where you would need to put yourself in his place, such as:

Matthew 11:29,30 - Jesus said, "I am meek and lowly in heart."

Philippians 2:8 - Having come to earth as a man, Jesus humbled Himself and became obedient, even to the point of dying on the cross.

If you're interested check out Galatians 5:22-23, it's very valuable, and of course John 13:34. There is a wealth of information in the Holy Bible.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:08:26 AM
Cajun247: As Romans 1:20-21 points out - Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.

jkfld: I understand you strongly disagree, but mocking and scorning never gets anyone anywhere.

davymid: It can be scary to some people, but it's more along the lines of what happened in LOTR, where Gandalf realized that Saruman had abandoned reason for madness. Many would perish from his choice.


Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:09:00 AM
@People saying that you'd teach your children what YOU believe regardless if it was religion or not.

You people need lessons in raising a child. I don't force anything onto my seven year old. His mum died last year and he asked me if she was in heaven. I told him if you believed that, then yes, she was. He asked me what I believed and I explained that I was irreligious and his mums Humanist funeral reflected that. At no point have I told him what to believe, and yet he has told me that he doesn't believe in God.

I support Dundee United, but live in Aberdeen. He is free to support Aberdeen or whoever else and I've told him as much. I just happen to take him with me to Dundee United games and he has made the choice to follow me.

Do no attempt to force anything onto your child. For the good of your child mainly and, if you're a religious nutjob, for the good of the world.

jadoig
Male, 30-39, Canada
 435 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:28:26 PM
Guy Smiley: What Procedures are these? You don't have to go into detail, just point me to the right book(s) for a couple good examples.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:06:23 PM
Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?

For the exact same reason that Pepsi adverts tell you that Coke sucks. And, of course, vice versa.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 6:03:47 PM
You see, by following the procedures found in the Holy Bible, you can come to see the truth of God.

You mean by submitting to brainwashing techniques you can receive a freshly washed brain? I'm sure you can.

They're ancient procedures, but they still work.

They work to mystify, intellectually neuter, terrorize, and control you. They work to turn you into a pie-eyed virus carrier. They don't work if your goal is to discover the truth about how things actually are. They don't work to maximize the good for humanity.

The procedures have been tried and true, and many have seen the evidence of God through them.

Many have seen the evidence of Xenu through the procedures of Scientology. Many have seen the evidence of Allah through the procedures of Islam. They're just as sure as you that their god is the only true one. And they're just as wrong.

Grumpdock
Male, 13-17, Europe
 323 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 4:40:51 PM
Religious people can't dispute the fact that they've been indoctrinated, so they resort to attacking Dawkin's personal character, of course.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10283 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:10:57 PM
Thats what the Holy Bible has shown people for many, many generations.



"Please my child your circular logic is not helping my cause"

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:56:58 AM
jkfld: Thats what the Holy Bible has shown people for many, many generations. You see, by following the procedures found in the Holy Bible, you can come to see the truth of God. They're ancient procedures, but they still work. But it's hard for some people because they let their ego stand in the way. It's about letting go, and surrendering to God and humbly seeking Him through the procedures. The procedures have been tried and true, and many have seen the evidence of God through them.. This has been happening for 1000's of years. Afterall it's said that all God breathed scripture is useful for teaching and training.

Also, you took my question out of context from the post. the line "Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?" was in relation to what objective and reasonable thinking is...

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:50:38 AM
FredSpudman: when you meet someone, and you know they are real, how would it seem to you if some on on the Internet told you that that person is not real?

Many people give testimony to God. While i generally agree with your statement, it's considered even poorer form for a person to ignore and dismiss what others are sincerely trying to convey, just because that person doesn't yet fully understand.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:19:07 AM
we only need to learn God is real to know that He exists

Then provide some evidence. Simply declaring something to be true doesn't make it true, regardless of the amount of confidence you have in your authority. I think a more accurate formulation of your statement is "you only need to accept that god is real to know that god is real".

Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?

For the same reason the tailors of the emperor's new clothes insisted the fabric was invisible to the "hopelessly stupid". It is an epistemic defense mechanism of the Christian belief system which is necessary to prevent the criticism that would inevitably reveal the entire system to be incoherent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes
http://www. springerlink.com/content/ w8538jg104w2h4qn/fulltext.pdf

FredSpudman
Male, 18-29, Europe
 606 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:28:36 AM
@theguysmiley There is a (human construct of) God, and there's nothing he or anyone else can do about it other than try to reason with people who assume that things are so without acceptable evidence. Also, it's poor form to assume something's there until you know it's not. We may as well assume that there is a Norwegian football player called Tore Andre Flo who controls all of our actions, UNTIL WE CAN PROVE THERE ISN'T.

wickedsngr
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 457 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:30:33 AM
Richard Dawkins is one of those Atheists that is such an non-nice individual that he gives others a bad name. He's almost as bad as some of those crazy religious nutjobs (Westboro Baptist, anyone?). If you believe (or don't believe) in something and you want to tell people about it, fine. But don't put down and insult people's intelligence, and expect to gain any of their support. The only support you will gain is from those who already share your beliefs (or non-beliefs).

JoexBro
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 382 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:24:20 AM
My parents were raised in Catholic households and when to Catholic schools for most of their young life. However they did not put this upon us. We were allowed to look at the world around us for ourselves and figure things out on our own. Sorry Dawkins, not all of the human race is bumbling idiots

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:58:35 AM
spanerbulb: I agree with the second half of your first sentence. However I do believe you misunderstand what objective and reasonable thinking is. It would be more along the lines of this: "I do not know everything in this entire universe (and/or beyond), so i cannot say that there is no God until i do know everything. On a side note, many people of my kin (the human race) have made large and positive impacts on the social direction of our kinship, based on their faith in God. So until I have more information, I must concede that it is possible that God is real."

You may be thinking the flip side, that one would need to know everything to know God exists, but because God wants us to know him, and actively holds the door open so we can know Him, we only need to learn God is real to know that He exists.

Why do you think the Holy Bible says that the fool says in their heart "there is no God"?

frnttrndy
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 49 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:48:10 AM
Read the Book and know your name is in the Lambs Book of Life

frnttrndy
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 49 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:42:52 AM
Im a Christian Time will tell

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Saturday, July 21, 2012 6:53:36 AM
TheGuySmiley, you are right, there is definitely a god, no doubt about it. Of course you must realise however that god is a human construct in much the way as Ronald McDonald and unicorns are. A little bit of objective and reasonable thinking makes this quite clear. Dawkins is right, religion only survives by the indoctrination of children, which in itself is morally questionable.

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