 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:05:15 AM
@college
1950s and 1960s means people that it happened to may still be alive tell me when you were a slave? Are you a vampire? |
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 collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3471 Posts
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:33:13 AM
McGovern1981: what are you getting at? this happened years ago as well...that just makes it worse :| its something that was supposed to have been done a long time ago but they haven't and obviously won't do.
all im saying is that dont go trying to drill holes in other peoples boats when you yourself dont even have all your leaks checked out. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Monday, July 23, 2012 8:50:57 AM
kinda like how the US still hasn't paid reparations to african americans?
For something that happen generations ago? Besides it's called welfare. I guess I got a check coming from the UK too then.... |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Monday, July 23, 2012 8:46:52 AM
UK likes to dish it out but can't take it when they get they're own medicine. Why don't you guys tell us what you sprayed jewish refugees down with after WW2 while you're at it. Then give the queen another raise and give the prince the highest military rank possible! Wonder what that pays? |
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 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
5417 Posts
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Monday, July 23, 2012 8:31:42 AM
What a scumbag government. |
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 alpensepp
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
1084 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:53:09 PM
the only ones who ever paid for the genocide they comitted are the evil germans. |
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collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3471 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:42:16 PM
kinda like how the US still hasn't paid reparations to african americans? don't poo talk about other countries. apparently we've gotten past that so get past this too... |
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 tsiemens
Male, 30-39, Canada
432 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:55:15 PM
How does Obama feel about this? |
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 klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
647 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:22:50 PM
Any argument against paying back these 3 people is invalid as long as the queen keeps wearing the crown jewels, many of which came from mines that belonged to colonized countries.
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 robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2752 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:31:35 PM
Britain has it's own problems with the bad teeth,and keeping the royal family happy. |
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 madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2843 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:25:53 PM
I know mcGuffin- but I know at some point during that time a compound on her parents farm was got at and most in it were killed- and very nastily- children too. She will not go into details as she found some of the bodies and it still upsets her- but her father had given his workers guns to protect themselves, sadly they did not get a chance to use them. I am not excusing it at all- just pointing out that the British responded to an uprising in kind- and then some. No- the Holocaust was not right either- but when we look at historical events we need to look at them in context. Why did Hilter get to the point where he could enact the Holocaust- because he was seem by the German people as a hero. I repeat- what we did was not right- but we need to look at the whole picture in context- obviously it was a nasty dirty time- if not it would not have been kept so quiet. Africa was brutal- still is in places- and sadly things like this are all too common. |
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klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
647 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:54:51 AM
no no no... I said S.H.I.T... |
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klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
647 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:53:52 AM
"Kenya is a better country today because of us."
Well that's some dumb poo to say |
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 Grumpdock
Male, 13-17, Europe
323 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:15:42 AM
Yes, big powerful empires/superpowers throughout history tend to do morally objectionable sh*t. Please tell us more admiral obvious.
Kenya is a better country today because of us. |
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 MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
2597 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:51:52 AM
>>>The point is that your comment is unbalanced. I agreed that the British did some terrible things there. I don't know the source of your 90,000 figure, so its accuracy cannot be judged in any way.<<<
The figure I used comes from this BBC article, which in turn quotes The Kenya Human Rights Commission:
"The Kenya Human Rights Commission has said 90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed during the crackdown, and 160,000 were detained in appalling conditions.
David Anderson, professor of African Politics at Oxford University, says he estimates the death toll in the conflict to have been as high as 25,000."
So now you know the source.
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MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
2597 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:48:56 AM
...by the mores of the time the British actions were not quite so bad...
Come off it, madduck. The mass rape of 15-year-old girls and the widespread mutilation of men by cutting off their genitals is bad by anybody's mores, however many people supported it and looked the other way at the time it was happening. Was the Holocaust right because it was deemed acceptable by the mores of the Third Reich?
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2843 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:14:08 AM
I work for a lady who worked in Kenya and lived through MauMau. it was pretty grim by all accounts- terrible violence all round. Many Africans were butchered by other tribes or factions, and many were in daily fear for their lives. Not in any way saying what we did was right, but there are two sides to this, and by the mores of the time the British actions were not quite so bad. Another era- one we should learn from and not repeat- but people thought differently then... |
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MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
2597 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:55:18 AM
The British Empire killed and tortured a lot of people they considered 'heathens', back in the day, in many locations. India, China, Africa, Australia and the Americas, natives of most all those 'colonies' were treated badly.
But you don't see the others suing England for reparations.
And what is your point? |
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MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
2597 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:54:05 AM
Bygones
So, by the same token you Americans should stop bitching about 911, al Quaida in general, present-day Iran just because they stormed your embassy 30 years ago, and not to mention all those millions of convicted citizens you should let out of prison immediately.......because all that stuff they did is in the past, right?
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photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
767 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:23:07 AM
That was 50 yrs ago. Does anybody really care? War sux but man has been doing it since he first got off of all fours and learned to walk. We are the only species smart enough to screw each other over. Some accomplishment to be proud of eh? This is just another grab for free money by a failed government lacking the balls to actually improve their own lot in life. Don't believe reparations would actually get to people that need it . . . |
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randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
769 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:03:10 AM
MacGuffin
The point is that your comment is unbalanced. I agreed that the British did some terrible things there. I don't know the source of your 90,000 figure, so its accuracy cannot be judged in any way.
However the choice was never between British rule and paradise on Earth. the choice was not between British resistance to the Mau Mau, with many innocent casualties, and peace and puppies for everyone.
That is the problem with taking cases like this and blaming one party. The alternative would often have been far, far worse.
The point I made about the communists is that the alternative would, we know, have been far better in every case, in addition to the saving of the lives the communists destroyed. It is relevant to this case because the Mau Mau were inspired partly by communism, and looking at the history of much of Africa the alternative to what actually occurred was probably communism. |
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 Hedkwab
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
340 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:09:53 AM
White Guilt spreads to Europe! |
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 Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
1474 Posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:07:34 AM
yeah we did awful poo... and still do - but did anyone really think we built the largest empire that civilisation has ever known (by land area) by holding coffee mornings and sit-down meetings? No... we went wherever we could and either lied, cheated, or killed little brown folks for it.
Should we try and take back some moral highground by apologizing and making reparations? Of course. It would set an example that few other countries would be willing to follow, but an example that at least would do some repair to our reputation.
These days the Mau Mau (as they were then) would be labelled terrorists... because it's us they were rebelling against. Take a look at Libya though... where we classed violent protesters as freedom fighters so we could justify bombing them and overthrowing the government we didn't like - that's how it works like it or not... those we like are freedom fighters, those we don't like are terrorists.
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:33:45 PM
The British Empire killed and tortured a lot of people they considered 'heathens', back in the day, in many locations. India, China, Africa, Australia and the Americas, natives of most all those 'colonies' were treated badly.
But you don't see the others suing England for reparations. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25590 Posts
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Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53:31 PM
Bygones. |
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