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UK Man, 22, Dies In Hospital [Pic+]

Hits: 13496 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Science | Added by: 5Cats
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2012 1:33:28 AM
@Baalthazaq

Neglect is not the only indicator of quality. Around the same time period it was reported that 30% of American patients spend more than 5 minutes of their time with doctors, compared to 20% in Canada and 5% in Britain.

chickiesue86
Male, 70 & Over, Canada
 273 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2012 1:29:50 AM
so wait, if his mom was there and concerned then why didn't she give him a glass of water? and if she saw his meds by the bed that was failed to be given to him why didn't she give them to him? i know it is the hospital's job but if your son is dying don't just whine at the staff for something you can do yourself. ridiculous.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6116 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2012 12:32:18 AM
Ok 5cats- so Obamacare IS like the NHS- well hoo-bloody-ray for them then as the NHS is brilliant. Unfortunately I don't think it is- becaue you have PRIVATE companies involved- all wanting their share of the loot. So- them making a ton of cash matters way more than the health or well being of anyone. You seem to have a really loose grasp of how the NHS works- or any socialised healthcare system for that matter- but as I said- lets all hope you never get old, poor and sick eh- or you might have to eat some of your words.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10187 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:28:37 PM
Zee: Bush isn't in charge, dummy. Complain about how the CURRENT administration won't help you.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1978 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:15:59 PM
If you think Obama care is soooo bad, try being a veteran with no healtcare (Thanks G.W.Bush). Everything I have is a "Pre-exsisting" condition. The good news? The diabeties will prolly kill me before the heart problem. Die Republican scum!

jravity1
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 45 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:34:10 PM
Am I the only one who noticed that this picture is not of a 22 year old, he is a young teen tops. Everytime the news wants something to hit home they make whoever the victim is look younger than they are... just wanted to get that out there. Also, everything that happened to him was really messed up. And yes it is comming to the usa. As soon as, obamas healthcare comes into play. If they have insurance they will use it...which means more patients and the same amount of doctors. Malpractice suits are going to sky rocket.

RuralNinja
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 521 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 5:31:38 PM
Its a pretty messed up system when dying on the operating room table could be viewed as better than the actual outcome.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:07:55 PM
@madduck: See my explaination below: Obama wants to make the US's healthcare socialized, but he's afraid to call it that (or he won't get re-elected! and rightfully so!) thus he spins it: insurance coverage!

As I said: in Canada things went well for a decade or so, then the beurocrates began increasing in both numbers and power. Now we spend more money on paper-pushers than nurses. True but sad!
Obamacare is DESIGNED to make beurocrats > doctors and nurses! It's not a "flaw" it's the whole point!

Buiadh: Not moving! Am a Canadian through and through!
If Canada was to join the US, I'd be cool with that! The "Free Trade Agreement" is a crock of crap: I mean joining like East Germany and West Germany did, eh?

Also: Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta could seperate, I'd be delighted! We might let BC join us.... maybe.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 1:56:04 PM
I'll give @baalthy one more example before I tune him out completely:

Hallway Medicine: (HM) Here in Manitoba there's a problem with hospitals running out of room and leaving patients on gurnies, in the hallways, for days at a time! They'd be properly fed, treated and such, but right there in the hall!
The NDP (leftwing/union party) vowed to "end HM" when they got elected... 12 years back? And in their first term.
They didn't. But promised to do it if re-elected!
And they did! Or so it seemed:

What they actually did was this: they changed the rules!
Before: any patient in the hall for more than 1 hour was counted as HM.
After: if a patient was in the hall, BUT a bed was open anywhere else in the hospital, they were NOT counted!
See: the hospitals typically keep 5-10 beds open in case of emergencies or for whatever reason.

Thus: different "counting methods" make a huge difference, eh? Get it?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 1:46:42 PM
Hey @Baalthy I found something for YOU:

Don't talk to me again you disrespectful little f-u-c-k-e-r.


If someone has a "Mod" status they should be an example of PROPER behaviour here, not a disgrace. I tolerate plenty of "smack talk" from regular folks at IAB, but when it comes from a Mod it's ABUSE, bullying or worse. I will NOT tolerate it, not even once.
So stfu or gtfo.
K-thx-bye!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 1:40:04 PM
You deceitful little poo. 5 Cats. You deceitful little poo.

Could someone please BANHAMMER @Baalthy for this? First @madest, then @Baalth, wtf?

FIRST OF ALL: It's highly likely that the UK and USA keep records in completely different ways: for example if I strike a complete stranger in the face in the USA it's a crime and counted in their stats as "assault".
In the UK it's a "misdemeanor" and is NOT counted as a crime!
K? Get the concept?

Maybe it's just yours that sucks?

@Buiadh: YUP! No arguement there!
The thing is: OUR system was identical to the US system back in the day. THEN the politicians decided to "Nationalize" healthcare across Canada. Or healthcare went from being equal to the USA's to being VASTLY inferior! And Much MUCH more expensive!! And we STILL have to buy insurance!!!


EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:08:33 AM
My only question is why does he look 12, is that really the last photo anyone took of him?

Wouldn't of happened if the IV was still in, but if he kept ripping it out, what can you do short of full restraints.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 5:13:58 AM
Hey 5Cats: Found something for you:

"An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company. "


USA: 195'000 die due to neglect.
UK: 135'000 die due to neglect (scaling up to make the UK the size of the USA).

That DOESN'T take into consideration however, the fact that the USA neglects just over 10% of its population from the get-go.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 4:54:43 AM
Stats: USA is worse than the UK.
Anecdote: UK has this one bad thing.

Inference: There must be thousands upon thousands of horrific cases like this to make America worse 5 Cats. Thousands. They die sooner. They die more. They get less. It costs more.

You deceitful little poo. 5 Cats. You deceitful little poo.

Here's 12 such stories, except these all DIRECTLY RELATED to the fact the US doesn't have proper socialize healthcare.

These are just some of the stories, which lead to the stats, which has the UK ranking ABOVE the US when it comes to healthcare.

Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 1:47:07 AM
@5Cats - Well it works over here with our "oh so appalling" nationalised healthcare. Maybe it's just yours that sucks?

You hear horror stories about hospitals regularly. In every country. Including your beloved neighbour, Muricuh.

Ps, why don't you move there? Genuine question.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6116 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 1:44:27 AM
Having got very very cross and gone to bed- I would like to know if Obama-care is supposed to be like the NHS. Quite frankly the position changes like the weather. This post was about an NHS hospital- but used to indite Obama=care. If, however, we explain how GOOD the NHS is we get told Obama-care is nothing like it! Make up your bloody minds please- but I can assure you that, despite not being perfect, the NHS is a marvel and we want to keep it!!!

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6273 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 1:37:16 AM
Trouble is, because it's free over here, the surgeries are always full of malingerers or old people looking for someone to talk to.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:58:40 AM
@5Cats - So you're actively following Obama now are you?

Sorry @Buiadh: I don't understand this sentence. I've "followed" Obama since his run for the presidency, watching him on the news and through the blogosphere, so yes! Millions of people have!
Also Bush2, Clinton, Bush1 (no blogs back then!) & Reagan.

If your wait times are poor drating well kick up a stink about it, make sure you're seen, send letters to your political representatives, write to your healthcare officials. Threaten to go to the press.

That last part made me LOL! The Canadian press! Oh the politicians will be terrified!
Understand: This has been a "problem" in Canada for... a good 30 YEARS now! The EXACT same problem! Since the Unions LIKE it this way, there's little hope of actual change.

Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:37:53 AM
@5Cats - So you're actively following Obama now are you? If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for you? No. That's not you at all. You saw an opportunistic moment to attempt to spin about a persons death into making America's proposed healthcare (which is quite different to the UK's) look bad. As I said, this post is in bad taste.

Also I don't know if you caught my post in a thread last week or so when you were rambling about your Manitoban wait times, I was x-rayed twice and MRI'd at my local hospital in the same day that I called my local doctors surgery and was diagnosed with pneumonia. If your wait times are poor drating well kick up a stink about it, make sure you're seen, send letters to your political representatives, write to your healthcare officials. Threaten to go to the press.

Instead you come here and whine like a lamb that's lost it's mother and try and take out your mental pain in other, poorer ways.

Bad show.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10187 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:23:08 PM
"if Obamacare were 100% funded by the taxpayer, would you still have a problem with it?"

IT IS!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 8:39:57 PM
5 years working
3 years (close to) disabled: NO insurance, NO Government help, NO welfare even!
4 years working (almost to the day!)
7 months disabled now...

(con't) If the USA wasn't closeby for really ill Canadians to get fast treatment we'd resemble a 3rd world nation: that's a fact!
When North Dakota has TWICE as many MRI scanners as Manitoba? At half the population? And HALF their clients are Canadians? Work it out...

I think I exagerate, I think they have 3X the MRIs but close enough eh?

Manitoba: 13 WEEKS to wait for MRI: ON AVERAGE!
North Dakota: 13 minutes...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 8:35:32 PM
not only has universal healthcare, and appears to be in decent health despite that system, 5Cats...

When I was disabled and couldn't work for 3 years, my Insurance Company flat-out refused to allow disability coverage & was much too sick to put up a proper fight.
I had to wait 3 months to see a new doctor.
Then 3 more months to see a GI specialist.
Yay Canada!
True: I didn't have to pay for all those tests (Up Periscope! Hint: Intestines are icky!) BUT I still had to pay cash for medication.

I'm off work again and this time's even worse. I have no GP and am waiting 4-6 months for therapy.
Oh sure, I could PAY CASH for it, but tell me how that's "way better" than the USA?

@MacGuffin: Again: the "package" ObamaCare is being sold under is a lie: It's about universal INSURANCE. Government controlled medicine has failed in Canada (con't)

jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2350 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 6:01:05 PM
I cannot see how in anyway shape or form this can be linked to universal health care.

This is a terrible case of malpractice and things like this and worse have happened in US hospitals and everywhere else for that matter.

As I have said before, i work in a hospital, in the ER and on the medical floor and trust me, bad things happen because people simply forget.

it really is that simple and has nothing to do with the healthcare system in place.

also, for someone that not only has universal healthcare, and appears to be in decent health despite that system, 5Cats sure does want to switch to a system where he would have to pay out the butt for it.

I am guessing because he has never had US style health care that he has no idea how horrible it is dealing with US insurance companies and how often you still end up with an bill for things the provider will not cover.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 4:00:50 PM
@MacGuffin: That's the thing: It ISN'T going to make American Healthcare any better!


I didn't say that Obamacare would make American healthcare better (or worse). All I asked was, "if Obamacare were 100% funded by the taxpayer, would you still have a problem with it?"

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:57:35 PM
@MacGuffin: That's the thing: It ISN'T going to make American Healthcare any better! Only a little more like Canada's not much.
BUT it's being "sold" in just that way: Better healthcare for all, just like the British have! But like you say, where is that coming from? Not the actual law itslf, only Obama's spin-doctors! (swidt?)

@Buiadh: Oh Crimea River! Like Obama NEVER trotted out "horror stories" while campaigning? Oh how quickly they forget!
Nevermind the poor "girl" who couldn't get contraceptives without ObamaCare's cumming to the rescue! (swidt?)

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