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So This Is Why America Doesn't Need Obamacare

Hits: 8925 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: LordJim
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Willowwatch
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 735 Posts
Friday, July 13, 2012 10:40:21 AM
placebo effect--SCIENCE!!

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:07:43 AM
OMG! This farce is LEGAL? How do they justi . . . oh screw it, people are so dumb!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 10:52:30 PM
"Except I'm not diabetic and have no significant risk of contracting cancer within the next decade."

I hear you. If I was in my early 20's I would not be pleased.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 8:55:02 PM
There is no excuse not to have a plan.


Except I'm not diabetic and have no significant risk of contracting cancer within the next decade.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 6:39:21 PM
You're cracking me up. You are so hyper-focused and locked on your point you couldn't even see mine, which by the way is in the single sentence you copied and pasted. I was talking about something heavy like cancer. Something that will overload the person in bills. Your example is not going to overload a person in bills. The leading cause of chapter 11 is the uninsured who have had enormous health care bills due to sickness or accidents. I am not fine with Chapter 11 being used as a health insurance plan.

I found a reasonable insurance plan for $215. My coworker in his twenties found a plan that is even cheaper that fit his needs. I bought this so I wouldn't be a burden on my family if I get really sick. There is no excuse not to have a plan.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 5:59:29 PM
just make sure everyone is insured so our country is not drained financially when the uninsured get sick and become so overloaded in bills that they have to file chapter 11.


As I've already pointed out, everyone does not need to be insured. On average, a single visit to the ER are cheaper than yearly insurance premiums.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 4:10:53 PM
"Hyperbole notwithstanding it is a tax increase."

I have no problem with it being called a tax. I have a problem with people repeating lies that can be easily disproved by a few clicks on Google. It's f*cking lazy.

Call it a tax, call it a penalty, just make sure everyone is insured so our country is not drained financially when the uninsured get sick and become so overloaded in bills that they have to file chapter 11.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 3:28:17 PM
@markust

Hyperbole notwithstanding it is a tax increase.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 3:26:26 PM
The whole point of insurance is to spread the cost around evenly, so it isn't too high for the very people that actually need the help.


No, the point of insurance is to have money prepared in the event of a catastrophe, not make it easy for everyone to be cared for. Giving coverage to someone who already is sick defeats that very purpose.

Qystein
Male, 18-29, Europe
 159 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 12:33:08 PM
Matthew 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

JonasQuim
Male, 18-29, Europe
 115 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 11:27:15 AM
This is why people are so (annoyingly) proud to declare themselves atheist nowadays... seperates them from the batpoo crazy...

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12216 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 10:51:27 AM
Grow them limbs back Christian veterans.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 8:25:00 AM
@CrakrJak, "This is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world $600 billion dollars and most of it will be paid by those making less than $100,000 a year."

Do you ever get tired of being lied to?

jteachey1
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 122 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 7:29:48 AM
Crakrjak: "This is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world"
So you listen to Rush Limbaugh. That's not surprising at all.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13338 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 7:07:11 AM
Does Christ do dental?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 7:06:44 AM

"Obamacare stops DEADBEATS from causing MY INSURANCE PREMIUM MONEY to pay for their healthcare."

Whuh? That don't make sense a'tall.
Those 'deadbeats' go to emergency rooms at county hospitals and get treated. Your insurance company doesn't pay a single dime of that bill. Our tax dollars do, but not your insurance.

Because Obamacare requires insurance companies to expand their existing coverage, you can expect your premium to go up though. Not because of uninsured deadbeats, but because of the Deadbeats in Washington, D.C.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 6:53:52 AM
CrakrJak: "
This is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world"

snicker...actually, Ronald Reagan's in 1982 was bigger.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2845 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 5:06:47 AM
@Cajun247

"Now the insurance companies charge everyone a high premium, to recoup their losses."

GOOD!

The whole point of insurance is to spread the cost around evenly, so it isn't too high for the very people that actually need the help.

Healthy people pay more than they use, sick people use more than they pay.

And healthy people STFU about it (or should!)...because: one, they're healthy and should count their blessings, and two, they're only one wonky cell-division or red light runner away from being sick themselves.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17026 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2012 2:20:12 AM
goaliejerry: The SCOTUS says Obamacare is a tax, if it's not a tax then it's unconstitutional.

This is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world $600 billion dollars and most of it will be paid by those making less than $100,000 a year.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14101 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:02:52 PM
Reminds me of a very old and very long joke that ends with the punchline:

"He fell on his ass! I told you he was crippled!"

mon360
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 742 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 10:02:43 PM
lol, McFatter. Anyways, i really hate protestant church, it's horrible for me. I'll stick with Catholic church

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 9:00:55 PM
Obamacare also makes it illegal for a health insurance company to deny coverage to people because they are already too sick. A very real problem exist(ed) because people with prior illness simply could not afford health insurance because their rates were far too high - insurance companies would not cover them.


Now the insurance companies charge everyone a high premium, to recoup their losses.

It makes everyone pay for their own with a combination of incentives (tax credits) to reward people who buy their own, or disincentives (tax penalties) for fricken freeloading deadbeats who can afford it but won't.


The incentives only apply to exchanges setup by the states not the federal govt. Unfortunately, only 15 states have setup exchanges the rest are rather inclined not to do so.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:44:51 PM
In America, if you don't have health insurance but have to go to a hospital because you are very sick, the law says doctors cannot refuse to treat you - you will get full care. Now, the hospital will send you a bill, but guess what?


It's funny how they say an ER visit can ruin you financially yet somehow in 2010 yearly medical insurance premiums averaged at around $5000 while a single trip to the emergency room was $1300. So tell me which is worse?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:40:18 PM
The lie is that it is a huge tax increase - but MOST people ALREADY have health insurance, so the "tax penalty" means nothing to them.


As a penalty it does not stand up under the commerce clause, so it is a direct tax. Unfortunately it is still unconstitutional because it is a direct tax NOT based on a census.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:33:57 PM
preventative measures could have prolonged life for much cheaper by catching the problem before it required a trip to the ER.


That actually depends on which disease you're referring.

if the states refuse, the feds will do it for them


The Fed's broke, if they can't allocate the money they're not going to get setup.

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