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Healthcare Explained

Hits: 5427 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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Krepitus
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 3 Posts
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:30:17 AM
Sorry for the typos. I hate posting from my phone.

Krepitus
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 3 Posts
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:21:51 AM
Preexisting conditions. let me explain the system that is currently in play right now. Insurance companies ar allowed to discriminate against people with disabilities. If you were born with one, they don't have to cover you. There's a neat little scam the GOP helped push thru that saves their insurance company buddies a tremendous amount of money. Insurance providers donate money to a High Risk Insurnace Pool which in turn is supposed to provide affordable insurnace to the people with pre-existing conditions. It would have cost me $850.00 a moneht to insure my daughter. Their affordable and mine are not the same.

Krepitus
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 3 Posts
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:20:14 AM
An incredibly bad analogy. I do not need my car to survive. If it breaks down I can borrow a care, or use public transportation. I do however need my body to function to survive. If It doesn't and I miss work I get fired. I need to remain healthy so I can continue to be a contributing member of society, and pay my taxes which keep my country running.

I'm not a fan of Obamacare, and in the end I think you're right insurance companies will raise their prices. Regardless of the fact that they're making an obscene amount of money as it is.


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24807 Posts
Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:14:45 AM
@Musuku: Good in theory, over-run by beurocrats in reality.

@Cajun: Bang on with the ancient Chinese philosopher! Those guys were smart!

@Keith2: Well thanks for replying, across the USA insurance has gone UP about 14% since Obama got in, you can bet your boots it WILL go up much more (on average, YOU might pay less, eh?)

@typi30: Well that's the opposite of what the vedio says, but Welcome to IAB anyhow! Where you're free to disagree!

UK Man, 22, DIES in Hospital of DEHYDRATION! He actually called police to beg for help (and water!).

typi30
Male, 18-29, Western US
 6 Posts
Monday, July 02, 2012 2:26:40 PM
One argument is that right now there are so many people not on health care that only see a doctor when things have gotten really bad. They go to the emergency room, get urgent care and require lots of attention after. This form of healthcare is VERY expensive to everyone, where as when I have healthcare I get checkups and schedule appointments when things are just starting to get bad, which is much less expensive and easier to deal with. If I have to pay for health care I will take advantage of it, get checkups more often, have a better relationship with my doctor that could make me more attentive and a healthier person. I win, it's less expensive and society wins by having more healthy, productive workers :D

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6457 Posts
Monday, July 02, 2012 9:01:33 AM
Anything that makes republicans lose their minds is good for America. To achieve progress we must implement everything they are against!

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2564 Posts
Monday, July 02, 2012 7:46:18 AM
Pulled that number from the ACTUAL bill. Read it, then come back and prove me wrong if you think you can. Pulled the other number from my ACTUAL insurance quotes.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10232 Posts
Monday, July 02, 2012 7:27:43 AM
Why read the whole thing? After all "laws and regulations more numerous than the hairs of an ox,... are to be more feared than fierce tigers".

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished…. The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be."

-Lao Tzu

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2829 Posts
Monday, July 02, 2012 6:12:19 AM
How about everyone stop calling it "free healthcare", on both sides of the debate?

Call it "taxpayer-funded healthcare", or some variant thereof. At least then you'll be honest, and it'll hopefully close some of the "lol, it's not free!!!1oneone" idiots out of the debate and leave the legitimate arguments, on both sides, to duke it out.

In the UK, the tax that pays for our National Health Service (amongst other things, such as unemployment benefit and state pensions), is called "National Insurance", which is a very apt name for it: it's like one giant non-profit insurance policy that everyone in the country pays into and uses, rather than lots of individual private profit-making ones.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24807 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:54:38 PM
@ 5Cats, Crap, you are always so civil and make me feel bad for spouting off.

Lolz @Patchouly! I do TRY to be polite, but sometimes, last night in fact, I can be a jerk too (it was on another thread). You've not been impolite here, afaik...
It is true: catastrophic care in Canada is essentially free and can be fast! If you're really f'd up, you at least won't go bankrupt!
When I blew out an artery, I got care right away, hardly 10 minutes to see a doctor and 20 minutes later they were treating me (THAT is a whole other story, but I still survived the treatment! lolz!).
I'd lost 2+ litres of blood and was pale as a ghost, and was still bleeding. That tends to get their attention!
Others I know easly wait 5+ hours in Emergency to see the doctor. Broken arm? Sit over there.

Top quality comments from everyone! Hooray for IAB!

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10048 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:16:15 PM
"Should also mention I have insurance with Blue Cross..."

Did you know, that under AHCA Blue Cross is singled out by name, and they will be paying an additional tax, because their insurance covers more than is allowed under the new system?

Prepare for your premium to go up, even if it is for basic coverage.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4556 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:33:45 AM
***Continued***
I can get an afternoon appointment on the same day.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4556 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:33:08 AM
@ 5Cats,
Crap, you are always so civil and make me feel bad for spouting off. In the future, I'll try to contain the crap a bit. But just a bit!

Here in Ontario our hospitals have a section called "Fast Track". If you go into the ER with a heart attack, head injury, amputation etc. basically anything that is possibly life threatening, you get in instantly. If it's something minor like a cold, flu, cut that isn't life threatening etc. they send you over to "Fast Track". There, they have Docs and Nurses that can see you, slap on a band aid or do a few stitches etc. and send you on your way. Emergencies are taken care of instantly and lesser issues are seen usually within an hour.

As for Doctor's appointments, my doc can see me as early as the same day, if it's important. The nurse decides how urgent the appointment is and books accordingly. Longest I've had to wait, for an unimportant issue, is one week. For important issues, I can get an after

Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:03:44 AM
*Continued From Below*

And because it's non-urgent my life is not adversely impacted while waiting for my scans/treatment so I can carry on as usual.

If you're having to wait on your treatment, 5Cats, then I'd suggest that it's not urgent. If it is urgent and disrupting your life I suggest you follow your health services complaints procedure or get in touch with your local representative to do it for you.

Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:03:28 AM
@5Cats - Here in the UK we have the National Health Service. Probably the grandaddy of nationalised health care.

A year or so ago I came down with pneumonia, I figured it was a bad cold but after a few fevery nights I decided to go to the Doctors, something I don't like doing over anything minor, and told him my symptoms. He did a few checks on me and rushed me to the hospital, within 3 hours I'd had multiple x-rays, an MRI scan and was on an anti-biotic drip. A while later my drip had finished and I was offered to stay in the hospital if I wished or I could go home and just get some bed rest and take my anti biotic tablets when needed. I left hospital that evening and did as the doctor ordered and not once did I have to worry about my insurance costs.

If I have to see a doctor regarding something that is non-urgent (my Dr said I'd have been dead within the week if I'd not seen him about my pneumonia) then I have to wait. *Continued Above*

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:29:46 AM
Should also mention I have insurance with Blue Cross...

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:28:48 AM
I don't know the answer to our screwed up health care. I can't take this video as a piece of information because it comes from a heavily biased individual (sorry, 5Cats), so I'll have to do some independent research.

However, I know our system is f***ed. Waited 5 HOURS to see a doctor in the ER (eventually left without even being treated, just urine tested) while urinating heavy amounts of blood and writhing in pain. I was declared a "level 2", according to the staff; same as the uninsured folk who were there with a cold. When my pain was manageable, I saw my doctor across town. Found out a had a huge series of kidney stones...evidently some priority as the common cold.

Also, the emergency room still charged me $400 just for the visit, despite no help.

Mechi
Male, 18-29, Asia
 134 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:19:42 AM
ill be honest, Obama-care and most of the clowns in office are jokes and tools. No matter what happens the people will deal with it.

Mechi
Male, 18-29, Asia
 134 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:17:40 AM
OC: Hi Im Obama-care and Im a tax.
USC: Alrighty, but I don't want to pay for health care... or annual for that matter..
OC: Doesn't matter got passed!
USC: Doesn't matter States can reject it!
OC: FUUUUUUUUUUUU!!

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2433 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:10:53 AM
If you really think that's why health care is expensive, then you're a moron. Health care is expansive for many reasons, this being probably the least of them. More legitimate reasons include, pharmaceutical companies' super-elevated drug prices in the US, and doctors billing insurance companies 3 to 4 times their normal rates for health care that they charge cash-paying clients.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24807 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:51:21 PM
"...and be out of there in an hour."
@patchouli, what province do you live in? NOT Manitoba! lolz! Many hour waits guarenteed unless you're bleeding openly.
Wait time to see doctor: days
Wait time to see specialist: weeks
Wait time for surgery: months, if not years.

I am currently waiting 4-6 months for therapy.

So NO I am not a deluded "right wing-nut" I'm simply stating what I and hundreds of others admit is a fact: Want fast service? Drive to North Dakota!

Average wait time for an MRI Scan in Manitoba?
13 WEEKS says the Government

Did we have this conversation before? Or was it someone else...

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4556 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:45:09 PM
5Cats:
"fewer services, longer waits.
AND BONUS: We STILL have to buy insurance to get anything approaching 'proper care'."
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For those outside the U.S., don't believe the hype 5cats is selling here. This is the words of the Rightwing Nut jobs, here in Canada. They make up stories about high costs and long wait times. It's all B.S. to try and have our system overhauled. Health care here is free. Yes you have to pay for prescriptions. But health care is free. And wait times? Don't give me that crap. I can see my doctor when ever I want. I can go to the hospital and, if it's an emergency, get seen right away. If it's a lesser emergency, I can go through "Fast Track" and be out of there in an hour. Best of all; it's free.

Lebowski42
Male, 18-29, Western US
 67 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:20:13 PM
I agree with a lot of what the video says, but without an opposing idea or plan I would have to say Obamacare is better than doing nothing. The system is broken right now and even if Obamacare causes all of these problems, we will address the problems (and probably complain a LOT) which is better than our previous status quo of pretending like healthcare costs weren't skyrocketing faster than Home values during the last decade.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24807 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:49:44 PM
"FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE."
@jamie-26, buy a clue, ok? I just paid $51 for my new meds, cash dollars! With the group insurance I used to have I'd STILL pay $20 (apx).
NOTHING IS FREE!
Everything else you pay for.

@Squirlz: Ouchie! Nuts To You!
(I love Pilz-E! Extra medication for all!)

pfkdxius
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 315 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:43:07 PM
IAB, if you're going to post this biased bullpoo, at least label it properly.

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