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The Truth About the Fast and Furious Scandal[Pic+]

Hits: 8028 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 410 Posts
Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:23:48 AM
this has thoroughly been debunked...by completely non biased right wing blogs.

The reason there's all this fuss on the right about F&F is because they know the real problem is the lax laws that allow these guns to flow into mexico in the first place.

It's completely legal to buy as many assault rifles as you want and then resell them immediately.

It's illegal for the Feds to track those purchases in any sort of electronic database (perhaps to identify such straw purchasers).

No problems here, must be Obamas fault.

asianchamp
Male, 18-29, Australia
 413 Posts
Monday, July 02, 2012 5:51:45 AM
I thought Vin Diesel was involved..

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25829 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:56:43 PM
A much better example of how the Attorney General has a LOT of power:

Janet Reno, under Bill Clinton, ordered the ATF (them again!) to attack the Branch Davidian. Nevermind that they had NO REASON to do so! Nevermind that David knew the ATF was there, had driven alone to town several times (easy to arrest!) NO! They had to over-run the compound.

When things "went south" Reno stood up and said: It's all my fault! NOT Clinton, me!
But it was too late, minutes before in Washington Clinton had already told a press conference "The buck stops here, I'm the one to blame".

How things have changed!!!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25829 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:05:37 PM
@markust: The concept of "fighting crime" has spanned MANY administations, right?
But an Attorney General is appointed by the President. Each one has different views on the "how and why" of it.
For example: Holder refuses to charge certian people, and you KNOW he has the White House's blessing or he'd be fired asap!

So when you compare an operation that was started, executed and completed (ended) with a DIFFERENT one, different AG, Prez, Plan different EVERYTHING and claim it's one big ongoing project?
Bananas to you!

THEN you claim that because the MSM is boycotting the story it must be "no big deal"???
Riiiight.

And YES! Bush and Reagan were often blamed by the MSM for things done by underlings! Didn't I just "remind you" of "Iran-Contra"? So again you are w-r-o-n-g-o!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:22:26 PM
"it didn't span two administrations."

I said the concept spanned two administrations. The concept. You have a real hard time with telling the truth don't you? If one of the 450 guns used in the original plan under Bush ended up being used to kill a border agent do you think Foxnews.com would have had the story front and center every day for six+ months? The chant would have been guns don't kill people criminals do. This is a political witch hunt and no amount of spin will convince the other news networks otherwise.

I have watched Fox News spin this story backwards and forwards on foxnews.com for six months. A news organization is not supposed to create news.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10131 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:25:36 PM
*450

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10131 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:25:04 PM
Also, it didn't span two administrations. Wide Receiver was started under Bush, in full co-operation with the Mexican government. 45 guns were walked into Mexico, tracked, and seized when they got to the illegal buyers.

Fast and Furious was started in 2010, and it was 2500 guns, without the knowledge of the Mexican government. They were lost before they got to their buyers, so they became weapons of the cartels.

It's NOT a non story.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10131 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:21:47 PM
The website I posted is Reuters.

I'd say they are reputable.

This article was written this morning.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:12:22 PM
And to be clear I am saying the story is no longer a headline on any of the three main sites. F&F isn't even in the latest news section. You have to dig deep into the political section to find anything. Once again RIP Fox induced sensational story of the week.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:03:51 PM
Sorry, no it isn't. Look at the big three web sites. No one picked up the story. Your fantasy that this is bigger than Watergate is just that - a fantasy. Fox News will start up again but the other news sources aren't buying it. The concept of F&F was a really stupid idea that spanned two presidencies. Everyone involved has admitted how bad of an idea it was and there are processes in place to insure that this will never happen again. Sometimes a story can be made out to be bigger than it is but this stinker is not sticking.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10131 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:37:32 AM
It's very much alive Markust.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:19:47 AM
This sensational non-story is dead. Take a look at cnn.com, foxnews.com and msnbc.com. No mention of it anywhere. There's one tiny line deep down under the politics quick look section of Fox News. It is no longer a headline. No amount of Fox News propaganda could get this stinker off the ground longer than a few days on standard news sources. And that was mostly all due to this being Obama's first Executive Privilege. Better find a new non-story to complain about.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1402 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:26:28 AM
This Fortune BS has been thoroughly debunked.

Townhall.com

NRO

Why would the ATF deny it if it were as Fortune says? Why would the Justice Dept/Holder deny it? You lefties are full of s#it, as usual.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:49:57 AM
So, who again started Gun Walking? Who again approved it? Which administration? Whatever.

Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 311 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:13:14 AM
@jpriest13

I went rouge once, but it wasn't really my color.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17231 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:13:30 AM
Issa released the wiretaps into the congressional record. Here

These wiretaps clearly point to the fact that top-level officials at the ATF and DOj signed off on letting guns 'walk'.

For 10 months Holder claimed he knew nothing at about it. E-mails were found that shown that holder DID indeed know about it, then he changed his story. Now Holder and Obama are hiding documents illegally that detail the cover-up.

Holder Lied, Brian Terry Died.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25829 Posts
Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:04:22 AM
@simbha: iirc the ATF under Bush "walked" about 45 guns, tracking every one of them.

Under Obama (Holder) they "walked" 2600+ guns, lost them ALL, covered it up, and simply waited for them to be used in crimes to gather "data". They threatened legal gun dealers with arrest if they (legally) REFUSED to sell guns to the shadey creeps who bought them.

@CrakrJak knows the facts better, but that's the short version.

jprest13
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 20 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:44:53 PM
executive privilege. for them to abuse their authority, and for us to let our government to go rouge and do as it pleases.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:41:14 PM
I don't really see why this is a political issue at all. The ATF gunwalking methods began under the Bush administration under Operation Wide Receiver. It was not sanctioned by higher officials, but it was still carried out by Newell and the Phoenix field office of the ATF. Under Obama, the Phoenix field office conducted a broader operation called Fast & Furious, which was essentially the same as Wide Receiver, but did differ in magnitude.

In both cases, guns were intentionally placed in the hands of members of Mexican arms dealers - in the hope that these would allow the administration to identify and prosecute the heads of these organizations.

It didn't work - in either case - but I'm not sure if that means it was a bad idea. Unfortunately for the Obama administration, Terry died. But, honestly, that's the nature of border patrol during a period of extreme violence.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17231 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:04:32 PM
markust123: Fortune magazine is about as 'right leaning as Daily Kos. When, not if, the documents are made available you will see evidence that makes 'watergate' look like kids play.

Holder Lied, Brian Terry Died.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25829 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:20:03 PM
@markust: First of all, if CNN OWNS Fortune, or even vice-versa, HOW can they be "right leaning"?
Second: FEW magazines or papers in the USA 'lean right'. I think the proper term is: "Is Not A Leftist House Organ"
Third: Do you even know what a "House Organ" is?
Fourth: HOW does the "leaning" of the source change the FACTS of the case?

In this case, the FACT at hand IS: It's a one-sided, left-leaning article whose sole purpose is to SPIN for Obama.

Of couse YOU think IAB "leans right" ffs...

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:18:32 PM
"But again why let a little thing like facts or reading get in the way."

And yes kitteh9lives I do realize my hypocrisy in the "reading" part. Sorry for the initial knee jerk reaction. I saw two stories on F&F and jumped to conclusions.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:11:08 PM
"this "report" is the beginning of the libs assault on the 2nd amendment."

This "report" is from Fortune Magazine which is right leaning. And according to the article the lax gun laws in Arizona are what actually caused most of the problems. But again why let a little thing like facts or reading get in the way.

paco664
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 159 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:37:45 PM
this "report" is the beginning of the libs assault on the 2nd amendment...

they allowed these known "straw" purchases and allowed them to walk.. knowingly.... and it is holder and obamas fault DIRECTLY for the death of agent terry.....

both should be tried and imprisoned...

bastards...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25829 Posts
Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:09:22 PM
This is from Fortune Magazine

OOoo! I was fooled by it being called "CNN Money" since, you know, CNN is so vastly 'right wing' eh?

Oh wait, your "facts" @markust, leave MUCH to be desired...

A Senate of 51 Democrats

CONGRESS =/= SENATE!
What have you been smoking boy? LOLZ!

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