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Student Who Taped His Teacher's Obama Rant?

Hits: 9046 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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trippyhippy9
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 555 Posts
Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:47:52 AM
Neither person should be reprimanded. This is petty.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:45:08 PM
"So, just because a few a willing, we should take that choice away from them? "

No one is taking it away from them. If they can't afford both homeschooling and taxes, then they should just send their kids to public school. If they have the money, then good for them. I understand the point of the vouchers, but the problem with using them in areas where the public schools suck is that it will only make the public schools worse with no chance of getting better. You're basically damning children because their parents are poor.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:42:41 PM
@MeGrendel
"Strange, all of those were present at the private school I sent my daughter to(although, the bullies were weeded out pretty quick...see, we had a code of conduct that was actually ENFORCED...can't have that in a public school)."

Just the opposite where I live. In our public schools we have a 1 strike policy with regards to drugs and pretty strict policies when it comes to bullying. However, in the private schools, you can get away with a lot more. (If you are caught with drugs on campus, one or two times, you get let off with a warning.)

donk2u
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 2 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:54:01 PM
Here is more about this "teacher"...she has filed bankruptcy 2 times in the last 9 years and lives in a 151,000 house check out what I found...sorry I had to redact her address for my own piece of mind but this is a public record


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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3632 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:41:30 PM
SmagBoy1-"But that's what vouchers are"

My state currently does not use them. But I think they're a great idea.

SmagBoy1-"it completely undermines the public school system."

No, it completely undermines the public schools that are doing a horrible job.

Do you want to be forced to pay for a product that doesn't work?

eddy666-" it is only feasible for a few Americans."

So, just because a few a willing, we should take that choice away from them?

eddy666-"to hide them from atheism, homosexuality, black people, and bullies."

Strange, all of those were present at the private school I sent my daughter to(although, the bullies were weeded out pretty quick...see, we had a code of conduct that was actually ENFORCED...can't have that in a public school).

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:36:01 PM
@SmagBoy1 No one has faith in our government, but we still have to try to amend it when giving the opportunity. I agree with you on the voucher system. If a parent can afford to send their kid to a private school, good for them. They should still pay taxes to support the public school system regardless. They chose to go with the more expensive school, they should be financially responsible enough to pay for it without a tax break. Just about every low quality public school out there needs all the money it can get. Further starving them through a retarded voucher system just makes it a hell of a lot worse.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:31:07 PM
@MeGrendel The problem with homeschooling is that it is only feasible for a few Americans. Also, in the south, homeschool and private school are where parents send their kids to hide them from atheism, homosexuality, black people, and bullies. Luckily, they seem to be dying in the south (at least around me), as a lot of them were created to keep segregation in place in the first place. The public high school where I went to school outperforms all the private schools around it on every single test as well.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:43:08 PM
...I don't know of anyone getting a tax break because they choose to send their child to Private School or Homeschool...


But that's what vouchers are, MeGrendel, tax breaks for those who school their kids in schools other than public schools, home or otherwise. And it completely undermines the public school system.

And, anyway, I'm sorry I brought it up. As I've said in other threads, I've all but lost faith in the government to function in our best interest as a whole population (or perhaps the lost faith is in the electorate to force change that would allow government to represent all of our best interest and not to argue and gerrymander and piss on each other over stupid, divisive, pet topic BS--same difference, though, in that government is broken). I'm sorry I even engaged you on this. My bad.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3632 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:11:58 PM
SmagBoy1-"I'm saying that either they should be REQUIRED to have their kids get school there"

Luckily you have no say-so in it.

SmagBoy1-"or pay taxes to have them schooled there anyway, even if they choose to school them at home."

Actually, that's what they do now. I don't know of anyone getting a tax break because they choose to send their child to Private School or Homeschool. (Believe me, I'd be all for it.)

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:02:29 PM
...to me, democracy is broken here. Beyond repair. Hell, I don't know if it ever worked. I don't have a better system, but, I do know that the idea of the American dream and each of us getting an equal shot is not (and probably never was) the truth. Maybe I'm disenfranchised? Doesn't matter. I pay my taxes and do my job and hope that I have a house to live in when I retire. I reckon that's all I can do.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:59:53 PM
Actually, truth is, yes, I'm saying that either they should be REQUIRED to have their kids get school there, or pay taxes to have them schooled there anyway, even if they choose to school them at home. The voucher system not only allows people of means to milk the system while complaining about socialism, it undermines the government's chance of paying for schools that are already having their budgets raped in order to pay for bombs.

Further, no correction for "race" can be made when almost the entire study population is white. You can say all you want that you've removed bias for race and other factors, but, your statistics lose what's known as statistical "power" (read: legitimacy) when the sample is so non-random and self-selecting. If you want to show me where the home school population represents anything even close to society at large, I'll shut up.

As for preconceived notions, I don't care who does what, actually. To me, democracy is bro

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3632 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:48:32 PM
SmagBoy1-"it would create a society where the "haves" would get education and the "have nots" would not"

So, a parent who CAN give their child a better education (be it private or home) should be REQUIRED to give their child a sub-standard education just to be 'fair'?

You win the Ignorant Statement of the Day Award.

SmagBoy1-"those statistics are worthless."

No, those statistics are the reality. They just don't fit with your 'Social conscious' view so you 'deem' them 'worthless'.

Why are you considering someone who chooses to homeschool to be 'socioeconomically significantly better off'?

Are you going to claim it's 'racist', too? (Before you do, please realize that the same study determined that homeschooling pretty much wiped out the discrepancy of scored due to race t

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:31:33 PM
MeGrendel, those statistics are worthless. I don't say that to be an ass, but, when the N studied is selectively skewed to be not only socioeconomically significantly better off, but one in which the parents teaching the homeschooling received much higher quality (read: non-inner city school) education, of COURSE the scores are going to skew that way. The conclusion is absolutely meaningless.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:28:16 PM
What homeschooling (and private schooling) would do is exactly what our founders wanted to avoid--it would create a society where the "haves" would get education and the "have nots" would not only *not* have access to quality education, but would never be able to get out of the socioeconomic state into which they were born. The promise of education for all was one of our founding principles. I'm not surprised we've forgotten it.

As for the kid getting suspended over this, I have no idea what the rules are, but, I would certainly agree that if this is his only offense, suspension seems very much over the top. As I said in my previous post, I think that there ought to be rules against teachers through high school giving personal opinions on religion or politics period, so, if I had my way, she'd be punished under that rule and he'd be punished under whatever the cell phone rule is.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3632 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:22:38 PM
eddy666-"public school offers education that no homeschooling can offer."

Obviously haven't been in a public school since...forever.

Let's see, a study pointed out that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. (Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America.)

A few other findings from that study that have been confirmed:
-Average cost per homeschool student is $546 while the average cost per public school student is $5,325.

In basically EVERY study, homeschoolers out-scored public school students by a significant amount. Studies also show that they tend to score higher on college entrance exams.

PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1188 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:46:06 AM
The whole socially awkward if your home schooled thing is a myth in all but a few cases. Those few cases almost always involve a failing on the parents part. Most home schooled kids are socialized just fine if not more-so.
Public school was more of a socially stagnant poohole, imo, and taught very little of real world social skills.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:21:52 AM
@PinkRhoid I agree. This would have gone unpunished if it weren't for the attention the video got. We need this kind of poo to be revealed so people will finally realize that we need change in the way we handle our education systems.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:20:03 AM
@freddyferret As much as people like you hate to admit it, public school offers education that no homeschooling can offer. Being able to interact and cooperate with a variety of different people is key to success in life, and this is something that you won't see in homeschooling and a lot of private schools. In my opinion, if a kid is truly smart, he will succeed no matter what school he or she goes to.

PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1188 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:47:56 AM
What about the autistic kid who was sent to school with a recorder so the dad could get to the bottom of odd behavioral issues. If they had suspended the autistic kid would you be rambling on about how they deserved it because they stood up for themselves against bad people?

PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1188 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:47:41 AM
Boo dratin' Hoo! He should have been suspended from school for having a drating phone in the classroom.


You missed the point of the entire article. It wasn't directed at whining about his suspension but at the amount of hate he's getting from the school officials for exposing the poor standards in his classroom. If it were just a singular punishment and the issue was squashed then this article wouldn't be here.
As for breaking the rules to expose corruption and you being so against it... I suppose you'd prefer your kids getting 3rd rate education and being mis-treated so long as everyone followed the rules? Just where would the world be if there weren't people who broke a few rules to expose corruption or abuse by higher authorities. Hint: you wouldn't be in the US typing asinine comments if not for people doing just that. Granted, this is on a much smaller scale.

freddyferret
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 11167 Posts
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:28:40 AM
This is just another reason we home school our kids. If they ever have to go back to a school for some reason (doubtful), it will be a private school. I am not putting my kids through that kind of stupidity.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:32:31 PM
Since when do you get SUSPENDED for something like that?

Since he exposed the teacher as a complete fool in front of the entire nation.

Oh, and I almost forgot:

Reason #191 to abolish government schools.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:57:33 PM
@SmagBoy1 @RobSwindol
Since when do you get SUSPENDED for something like that? Confiscation or detention seems like a much more reasonable punishment for having something that every student has.

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2369 Posts
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:33:58 PM
Boo dratin' Hoo! He should have been suspended from school for having a drating phone in the classroom.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:29:06 PM
So, first of all, I'd rather teachers through high school not discuss with their classes religion or politics (save for civics or religious studies, etc., and, even then, I'd prefer they avoid personal opinion at all cost). So, to me, Obama, Bush, Republican, Democrat, doesn't matter. Shouldn't be discussed IMHO. I don't guess that's a rule, but, to me, it should be.

That said, if there are rules about cell phones in class, in school, etc., and apparently there are here, they shouldn't be broken. And, in this case, looks like suspension was the punishment. If that's not how it went down, if I'm off base here about the facts, I apologize. Doesn't seem like there are any winners here.

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