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In 50 Years Will People Still Believe In God?

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photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Monday, June 25, 2012 9:29:10 AM
@CrakrJak - there is no god, get over it and grow up silly . . . people like you are holding back all mankind. That is right, I equate you with all other primitive superstitious religions INCLUDING intelligent design.

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Monday, June 25, 2012 9:23:58 AM
In 50 Years Will People Still Believe In God? I sure hope not. Religion, all religion, is holding mankind back from realizing our full potential. Religion could even bring down modern civilization. There are primitive tribal peoples trying to do just that right now . . .

WizardofCOR
Male, 40-49, Western US
 156 Posts
Friday, June 22, 2012 4:12:22 PM
One can only hope that eventually, people will have become intelligent enough to refute any potential belief in non-existent entities and fantastical, horrific fictions. Religion = joke.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Friday, June 22, 2012 1:47:45 AM
Geeze, you know - we define good and evil by that which benefits our species, and further, by that which is beneficial to our individual components of it. Bacteria, viruses, Fungi and alternative predators have the right to compete for dominance as much as we do, but when this effort overrides our immunity/werewhithal we cry evil. Take the egocentric equation out of it, and what do we have but the latter scenario? I say the distinction between good and evil is the dividing line between a Will to Power, and its efficiency therein. We can debate about the intra-specie manifestation of this ad-nauseum.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12015 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:55:48 PM
Guys, I admire the effort, but save your energy when it comes to reasoning with Crakrjak on matters of science.


NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:09:30 PM
CrakrJak, I am willing to help you in your quest to prove Evolution is a lie. Mainly because I think the greatest argument for teaching kids science is having you take center stage and talk about your beliefs. Anyway, here is a list of simple things you can do to disprove Evolution:
1) Find a fossil in the wrong place. Find a mammal in the Devonian Period.
2) Show a lack of genetic variation in a species.
3) Find an adaptation that isn't good for a species but is good for a second species.
4) Find an adaptation that could not have evolved by a step-by-step process of ever-increasing fitness.
5) find an adaptation that inimical for individuals but good for populations or species.
6) Find altruistic behavior among non-relatives in non-social animals.
7) Find discordance between phylogenies based on morphology/fossils and on DNA.

Remember, your findings will be tested by others, so it better not be your usual Christian think-tank bullpoo.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:55:50 PM
CrakrJak, if you know that Evolution is a lie it is easy to overthrow the whole damn thing. Simply publish a paper in a peer reviewed journal and after others have tested your hypothesis and found it genuine, *poof* the whole theory of Evolution will be thrown out and you will make headlines. You will command millions in speaking fees and will be hailed as the savior of Christianity.

Good luck! Not a single piece of evidence has been found, in 150 years of looking, that can disprove Evolution. Oh BTW, the internet twaddle that you have been parading around as evidence has been debunked decades and even a century ago by cold hard facts that are easily reproducible, even by you.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:41:40 PM
Crakr,

I appreciate that you've conversing with like 5 different people right now but I feel compelled to respond.

I'm about to take what you used to turn around and support your argument and throw it right back at you. How are mutations, which do not benefit a species, examples of intelligent design?

Btw, my aside about the genetic diseases I mentioned were meant as just that, an aside, though I can see how you thought I was presenting them in the context of mutation (even though downs syndrome IS typically understood as the product of a mutation). Still doesn't answer my question though - how are genetic diseases and everything else that we find inherently, medically flawed in organic life an example of 'intelligent' design, more than they are an example strictly of imperfect reproductive processes?

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:11:39 PM
CrakrJak:

As far as Eugenics goes, I've already addressed it. That's an ethical problem and in no way validates or invalidates evolution. People get hurt and killed due to the laws of physics. Things explode. Heavy things hurt and injure people. Because they are misused, by your logic, the laws of physics wouldn't even exist.

You strike me as someone that hasn't even bothered to honestly research their own opinions or even know when or how they might be wrong.

You are dishonest.


mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:05:48 PM
CrakrJak:

Dog evolution is dog evolution. The selection is either natural or artificial, but the principal is the same. Why are you so dense that you can't understand it?

Evolution is the non-random selection (natural or artificial) of naturally varying replicators. By your logic, flowers aren't evolution because bees and other insects 'artificially' selected them.

Biologists are telling you that you are wrong, Crakr. Yet, you refuse to listen to them.

I've heard of wallowing in ignorance but you make a trophy out of it and put it on the mantle.

TheGuySmiley:

No he hasn't. He's regurgitation the same lies over and over again.

SoCal
Male, 18-29, Western US
 651 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:40:05 PM
Less religion... Less war.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:16:02 PM
joeblowsglas: crakrjak has some pretty good posts in this thread, and i think the general rule of thumb is when someone starts calling another person names.. the name caller is the loser of the debate.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:14:28 PM
draculya, you said "We can but mock. Eventually they'll think "Hey why is everyone mocking me?" and have an epiphany."

no they won't, they'll think this: 2 Peter 3:3 >>
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

And their faith will grow stronger as they remember these things were foretold by Christ. Besides, why leave a faith of love, for life of mocking others?

Love is the way of the future.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:05:22 PM
mesovortex: Dog breeding is design. You must be completely mentally obtuse to not know that. Your first link is a writer opinion and a falsehood. Speciation is like this. Horse's and Donkey's can breed, but they breed sterile Mules. Why? because they truly are different species.

Humans can and have bred animals by eliminating supposed 'barriers'. A chihuahua can still be bred with a doberman, and although it might look like a mutt, it'll have viable offspring.

The malpractice of declaring an animal a different species based solely on isolation or 'barriers' makes a mockery of what speciation really is.

Your second link leads to Eugenics, trying to breed the perfect race, that's what Hitler espoused, it's EVIL and WRONG!

jkfld: Go hide back under your bridge.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:19:05 PM
As the top comment on this video said:

"No one brought up the fact that, just like the religions of the past which we call 'myths' today, the three mono-theisms of today's world WILL meet the same fate. As we, as a species, grow more intelligent and understand of the world and universe around us, we will continue to outgrow the need of such superstitious and dangerous beliefs.
Religion has outgrown its usefulness in this world and people are now starting to realize that fact."

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:01:45 PM
@CrakrJak


patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5684 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:51:30 PM
You obviously have zero biology experience and have no idea how genetics works. I, on the other hand, have studied it for years and work in the fields of genomics, proteomics, and study organisms at the molecular level. Go try your "biology" elsewhere because you are just making a fool of yourself.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5684 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:50:00 PM
Apparently you can't stand to have your worldview under any kind of scrutiny. You seem to be the type that wants to hang scientists for your perception of their heresy.

Actually, Crakr is quite accepting of science, provided it aligns with his ideology and world view; otherwise it's all just a conspiracy.

Mutations are so rare and detrimental that in order to carry on that mutation to a next generation requires a male and female with the same mutations to mate.

There are many detrimental mutations, however this only supports my position that ID is BS. If design were intelligent, why are there random, harmful mutations? You are also blind to the positive mutations that have conferred resistance to malaria, bubonic plague, and AIDS. Your assertion that both male and female must carry the mutation for it to proliferate is hysterically wrong.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:39:46 PM
Evolution can INDEED happen with artificial-selection (man-made selection):

http://tinyurl.com/2dqcjeo

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:37:42 PM
CrakrJak:

Apparently you can't stand to have your worldview under any kind of scrutiny. You seem to be the type that wants to hang scientists for your perception of their heresy.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:36:30 PM
CrakrJak:
Dog breeding is evolution:
http://tinyurl.com/qgrg4b

It doesn't matter what puts the selection on a population whether it's natural or man-made. Evolution is evolution.

This isn't what I was taught in public schools. This is what I was taught by actual biologists. I'll trust biologists over some creationist, thank you very much.

Also, Darwin would want his theory to be modified to best fit the evidence as new evidence comes around - and it has. As far as it being 'misused' - how can you say that if you say anything selected by humans isn't evolution? Are you saying nature misuses evolution? Or wait, are you saying because gravity is used to hurt people it must also be invalid?

ID is NOT science:
http://tinyurl.com/76xgmbx

You are completely scientifically illiterate.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:20:32 PM
nayrbarr: Darwin would be aghast at the modern twisting and bending of his theory. He had the forethought enough to know that his theory could be misused and it certainly has been. Yet it persists, it persists because atheists cling to it like a warm blanket, without it their worldview is nothing.

There is design in every living thing on this Earth, but keep blinding yourself to that fact.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:12:33 PM
jkfld: My oh my. must've hit a nerve there.

Apparently you can't stand to have your worldview under any kind of scrutiny. You seem to be the type that wants to hang Christians for your perception of their heresy.

You're acting exactly like what you accuse Christians of doing, killing blasphemers by burning them at the stake, right?

You are the shining example of what atheism wants to be, the new Roman Empire, crucifying anyone that doesn't believe as you do. Atheists like you have committed atrocities that make Hitler's look like child's play (Stalin & Mao).

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:00:20 PM
mesovortex: Dog breeding is evolution. Horse breeding is evolution. The Nylon Bacteria is evolution.


No it is not, human breeding of animals is NOT evolution. If that is what you were taught in school you've been severely lied too.

Suicism: And that's all we have to show about mutation, that it's almost always detrimental to the organism and not beneficial. Mutations are so rare and detrimental that in order to carry on that mutation to a next generation requires a male and female with the same mutations to mate. Genetic diseases are not 'mutations', since they don't carry the 'traits' of the parents.

T3hHippie
Male, 18-29, Canada
 166 Posts
Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:15:59 AM
A news media company now some-what saying that atheism is completely fine and not evil? GREAT NEWS!

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