 photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
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Monday, June 25, 2012 10:00:15 AM
I am embarrassed. This type of thinking arose in california and sadly Canada has embraced the stupidity wholeheartedly. Soon our children will be as stupid and sick as 'mercan children. What with all the drugs in milk and meat and genetically modified wheat and corn . . . Mulrooney sold us down the river. We got F U C K E D in NAFTA . . . now they wanna sell us way over priced jets that kill pilots. Welcome to 'merca. Oh, our health care aint free neither - we are taxed to hell and back! |
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 HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2082 Posts
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Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:10:04 AM
Can we all agree to stop teaching any core subjects in public schools for a few years and focus completely on character education (empathy, compassion, manners, etc.)
Sure we'll have a dumb generation, but they will be kind to each other!!
Then! We can go back to schooling THEIR kids who, hopefully, learned all the good behaviors from their parents, and then we will have both once again.
Sort of like cleaning out and starting fresh...
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:32:43 AM
@MeGrendel: Your posts illustrated my point precisely. Perhaps I should have used a more fitting title.
A friend of mine was studying to become a teacher, specializing in chemistry. They had an assignment to do that they were being forced to apply to their classes that they were teaching to high school students. The assignment was to shoehorn aboriginal culture into their class/lab. My friend had to do this in her lab on titration. She had no idea how to inject that culture into a titration experiment. It was a ridiculous assignment and just one example of the idiotic methods teachers are being forced to use. |
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 OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
548 Posts
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Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:15:33 AM
We all know teachers are required to teach the following in order.
Self Esteem
Political Correctness
Environmentalism
Liberal politics
Minorities studies
LBGTA agenda
anti-US Military History
The USA causes all the worlds problems past, present, and future.
Teacher's are underpaid, must be appreciated.
Self Esteem.
The basics began to change starting in the 60's.
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 MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
2597 Posts
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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:59:32 AM
Maths is all differently-taught nowadays, or so I read. They don't do long division by the same method taught when I was at primary school, for example. I've no opinion on whether the methods they use now are better or worse than the ones I was taught: they're merely different ways of doing the same thing. I think they should just put Vi Hart in charge of all maths teaching for schools. Problem solved. |
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 New_Guy
Male, 30-39, Europe
342 Posts
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Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:46:35 AM
@mon360 well we need factory workers I guess. |
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 Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
870 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:46:36 PM
Well if we dont get it damn straight our kids dont need to learn it. Pfft...next thing you know they'll be learning this whole new 'science' thing. |
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 mon360
Male, 13-17, Southern US
742 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:17:38 PM
psh, i can teach myself math and i would if the schools didn't make me hate learning so much |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8953 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:42:43 PM
Reason number 211 to abolish government schools. |
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 paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1032 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:52:23 PM
i don't what to think of this article, i've seen parents that like to complain about everything teachers do and those that don't give a poo about their kid's education. who knows what's going on here? |
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 Groogle
Male, 30-39, Canada
2180 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:25:42 PM
Education in canada has gone to the crapper. Seriously, go meet your kids teachers. Do it while they're not teaching and dont warn them in advance.
Go see the douchebags that are hired to teach your childrens how to take care of this world in the future and tell me that there is nothing wrong here.
They have found a way to kill us all people. In the future there wont be canadians anymore... i'm wondering to what extent this is spreading but I fear it has hit america too.
Get to know your kids teachers. Your kids are your future too. You deserve to know. |
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 honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
1422 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:25:40 PM
Most of the people saying that it's a school's job to teach seem to forget the concept of homework. I can sit in front of the class and explain until my tongue falls out, but if a kid doesn't practice the concepts they will never understand them. This is where the parents come in. They need to make sure that their kids are doing the homework assigned so that they understand the concepts. |
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 Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
817 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:59:08 PM
It's a parent's job to be a parent. If the school is lacking them move the child. I helped create my kids and I view it as my job to make sure they get all the tools they need to live on their own and make good decisions. |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:56:03 PM
I tutored my neice through Algebra, Geometry and Trig. She was having touble with the methods of the teachers at that school.
I only had to go over any concept ONCE. She understood immediately. She asked 'Why doesn't my teacher explain it in the logical way you do?'.
My reply? "Because SOMEONE much more intelligent than ME told HER that YOU (and your classmates) were not intelligent enough to understand logic." |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:47:27 PM
The gist of the article is not 'should it be a parents job to teach their kids mat', but 'should they HAVE to teach the kids math because the school system is NOT'.
In an effort to make sure no child's feelings is ever hurt, they come up with 'new' ways to teach subjects.
The fact that they try to do that with MATH just shows how idiotic the system has gotten.
Math is basic. Math is the very base of science itself. If we ever meet an alien species, the most probable avenue to opening communication will probably be based on math.
Math is some variation of addition (+), subtraction (-), multiplication (x) and division (/).
All teaching should be to teach the basics, and expound on that. Teach that 2+2=4, then expound that 2+2 is >3 but <5.
No grids, (unless it graphing), no
Anytime some 'professor/organizer' has an 'idea' on how it should be taught 'different/better' with an 'alternative method', he should be pub |
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 Ani187
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
3855 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:27:04 PM
I read through about half of the article and I have to say, the link's description is very misleading. I do think that part of being a parent is being involved in your child's education. When I was just a wee tot, my mom (who worked full time as a 3rd shift LPN, btw) always made time to sit down with me and go over the things I had learned in pre-school and kindergarten. If I had trouble grasping concepts she helped me work it out by coming up with a way for me to understand the lessons. I distinctly remember using little piles of cereal as a visual aid when learning elementary math. But then again, everyone was taught one basic way and if you had trouble with that then you enlisted your parents or teacher to help you figure out a better method. I understand that different people learn differently, but teaching one concept 50 different ways only adds to the confusion. Teach one basic method and then get into alternative methods only with those who need it. |
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 WizardofCOR
Male, 40-49, Western US
156 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:33:09 PM
An elementary mathematical curriculum that confuses college math professors. Brilliant. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:29:38 PM
On the other hand, when parents get involved the schools are forced to drop evolution and teach creation myth instead.
So.... screw it, kids are doomed either way. |
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 CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1198 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:21:03 PM
Heaven forbid that parents take an active interest in their children beyond feed it junk food, let it wear baggy pants and a sideways baseball cap or outfits that are better suited for streetcorner whores, and buying it an xbox.
Your children's education is your job and always has been.
The reason schools have taken on more and more regarding the upbringing of your kids, is because you've taken on less and less.
So you have to understand the method used by the school system. So you have to go over things with your kid. So you have to make sure your kid understands the material and does the homework.
It's your damn kid. If you can't be bothered to do what's right by your kid, either admit it or roll your sleeves up and put the time in.
If, in order to bring up a properly socialized, healthy, well educated child, you have to find a job that allows you the time, live in less desirable conditions and drive an older car- that's what you do.
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 xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
2419 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:03:14 PM
They've managed to turn mathematics into numerology. Congratulations. |
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honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
1422 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:46:07 PM
This is the down side of the educational system. As a teacher they drill it into your head that you have to use "differentiated education." If you don't teach the lesson 25 different ways so that every child understands then you are doing it all wrong. Some kids just don't care and don't want to learn.
Parents have just as much responsibility in their child's education as the teacher does, but most of them don't want to accept that. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:34:36 PM
Maybe I should clarify a bit: The point I'm trying to make is that while parents should be involved in their child's learning, the new methods teachers are learning to use are stupid and unnecessary. It's bad when a parent can't even understand what they're trying to do, and it's not as simple as a parent saying "well just do it my way." The children are forced to use these new methods, so teaching a child your own way doesn't work, so the parents have to learn the new alternative ways which are a bunch of BS. |
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 slut_etta
Female, 50-59, Southern US
2193 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:32:23 PM
no, it is NOT the parents' job to teach but they do have to pay attention. why are we paying teachers? just to babysit? if my (new) kid can't read or add and subtract after a year of school, i'll pull her out and educate her myself. luckily i'm older, don't have other school-age kids, and have a flexible schedule. but other people aren't so lucky.
twenty years ago my sister had twin boys, an infant daughter, and a full-time job. yet it was expected that she educate those boys herself. i said it then and i'll say it again, what do the teachers do with them all day?
when we were in school nuns actually TAUGHT us and didn't expect our parents to do so. and that was in the good old glory days when moms weren't required to work at least one job to hold the family together.
at every job i've ever held i've been responsible for conforming to certain production standards. why are teachers not held to the same standards? |
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HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2082 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:32:05 PM
Students can do math however they want.
Memorizing 9X9
9X10-9
9+9+9+9+9+9+9+9+9
But the school should teach a basic curriculum and the parents can help the students come up with their own way
Not teach EVERY student a round about way from the beginning |
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 BlazingBird
Male, 13-17, Europe
98 Posts
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:31:07 PM
"Crisis" is so often overused. |
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