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Trayvon Martin's Dad's Father's Day Message

Hits: 5361 | Rating: (1.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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buscompany
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Friday, June 15, 2012 12:26:00 PM
@Musuko42

I'll take you up on that offer just for the free trip to Europe.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4362 Posts
Friday, June 15, 2012 8:28:53 AM
HolyGod-"But he didn't deserve to die. You think he deserved to die?"

Of course I don't think he deserved to die. (Neither do I think Zimmerman deserved a beat-down.) But it doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter what he 'deserved'. He attacked someone, and got killed in the process.

In real life, doing dumb things sometimes equals getting hurt or killed. The smart thing to do is not do dumb things.

Zimmerman had a history of calling 911 (that whole neighborhood had a history of calling 911, as the vast majority of 911 calls from that neighborhood WAS NOT from Zimmerman). Zimmerman also had a history of NOT killing people, and a history of living in peace amoungst many races.

What was the ONE difference in this instance? He got attacked and acted in self-defense (as the evidence points to at this point).

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Friday, June 15, 2012 4:37:10 AM
@HolyGod

"What is that supposed to show? I've had more blood from head wounds I've gotten in friendly wrestling matches."

I'll pay for your plane ticket to fly over here, and then I'll stab you just enough to make you bleed just under that exact amount. And then you can fly home again.

Seeing as that's your threshold for complaint.

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Friday, June 15, 2012 1:31:21 AM
dey iz hankerin fo' shizzel lawsuit to rake in da big moola . . .

GRadde
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2567 Posts
Friday, June 15, 2012 12:56:48 AM
Seriously, what is up with pronouncing "ask" as "axe"?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13512 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:34:31 PM
When you're on your back, and a violent thug is on top of you pounding your head into the concrete, "Stand Your Ground" doesn't even come into play. It's simple self-defense.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:22:03 PM
eddy666

I'll admit I never watch local news. The fake emotion / human interest / dog in tutu type segments make me painfully uncomfortable.

I know you don't need a weapon to kill someone. You can beat someone to death with your bare hands. But certainly a weapon makes permanent damage far more likely.

I was mostly pointing out how ridiculous it is to compare this fight to the extreme instances grendel pointed out.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:23:36 PM
@HolyGod
I don't think anyone thinks that he deserved to die. That isn't really the issue at hand though. The big question is whether or not Zimmerman should be punished according to the current law.

eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 522 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:21:59 PM
@HolyGod You must only watch the big cable news and never the local news. Either that or you are just don't live in a place of high violence. You DO NOT NEED A WEAPON TO KILL SOMEBODY. There was an incident around me that happened not too long ago where a teen beat another teen so bad that he suffers from brain damage now. If Trayvon was smashing Zimmerman's head against the curb, well, that can very easily be deadly force.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:15:18 PM

NightHack-"he called the police constantly"

So what? That just shows Zimmerman is more likely to call for help than confront someone. Of all those calls only one turned violent, the one involving Trayvon so it's not a big stretch to think Trayvon might have behaved aggresively.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16906 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:13:39 PM
To answer HG's question in Samuel Jackson style.


yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:03:12 PM
Europeans and their angst.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:56:53 PM
Americans and their guns

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1566 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:46:02 PM
"We have to come together to protect our children"
Yep, that's why I go everywhere with my firearm.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:28:56 PM
MeGrendel

Let me be clear. I'm not a whiny little liberal. From assumptions I've made, Trayvon deserved a beatdown or to be arrested. But he didn't deserve to die. You think he deserved to die?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:25:43 PM
MeGrendel

What is that supposed to show? I've had more blood from head wounds I've gotten in friendly wrestling matches. That is nothing. It certainly doesn't verge on life threatening. My point was simply that you comparing those cases to this is gross, negligent, and completely hyperbolic. You've picked the worse most atrocious cases of brutal gang violence induced death of the past 20 years and compared it to a simple neighborhood fight.

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:15:25 PM
"I'm not sure I understand what comfort it gives you to assign me emotions"

The same comfort you get from making wild comparisons to a legitimate observation that I made I suppose. And really nothing you say is offensive to me, some of its sad, some of its funny, none of its offensive. You were the one who got all offended because I mused on what the fathers thought process was before trayvon was killed, not me. Stop projecting.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4362 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:13:33 PM
HolyGod-"Are you HONESTLY telling me that you can look at pictures of Zimmerman taken that night and say you feel like he was on the verge of a life threatening beating? "


So, at what point can an individual who is getting a beatdown decide, 'Hmmm....not deadly yet...I better wait a while to defend myself."

Here's a clue: You attack someone, you might get hurt. This isn't a wrestling match where someone will get tagged out. This is real life where you can get killed.

If someone starts to attack me, I'm not going to ask them their age, weight, what color belt they have to decide which level of defense to use. I will go to the one that has the most chances for success.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13243 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:07:07 PM
Whaaaat?? the lives are being lost from gangs? Stop making gangs cool WTF!! blindness.

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:01:35 PM
@yusuksomuch: I'm not sure I understand what comfort it gives you to assign me emotions, but knock yourself out. As for ignoring maybes...

MAYBE you're just responding to the video because you're racist.

The maybe means my assumption isn't offensive, right?

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:52:24 PM
"Suggesting that this is what happens when you don't catch all your kid's tweets is not just blaming the victim, it's blaming the victim in the most offensive way possible -- well, that's hyperbolic: I imagine you can get a bit more offensive."

Both of my kids use a site like that and I check them every day, takes less than a minute, and they know this and behave accordingly. Why so mad?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24423 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:51:27 PM
@Omphaloskept: The proper ananogy for the car crash would be the parents demanding lower speed limits because their daughter died while driving 100 MPH, get it?

Changing the LAW will not save anyone's life! Educating your own child might help though!

@NightHack: Troll Be Gone! You cannot POSSIBLY be that stupid! Must be trolling...

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:49:41 PM
"@yusuksomuch: "Because people like you just cant grasp the concept that maybe trayvon was acting like a thug and got killed because of it."

I'm reading what into what now?"

go ahead and ignore the "maybe" it makes your point valid.

""Father did not reprimand son for acting like a thug..." What are you basing this assessment on? "

um, the fact that the posts where up for an extended period of time, past the time he was killed? When a parent allows their children to use these things, it becomes their obligation to make sure they dont abuse them. next?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24423 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:39:33 PM
Ugh! I just threw up! Sickening.

Now for more sickness, off to read the comments!!!

fyi: the SYG Law is NOT the 'reason' Trayvon died, ok? It's because YOU were a crappy Dad.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:32:01 PM
MeGrendel

Kelly Thomas was beaten by multiple people with weapons.
Matthew Shepard was beaten by multiple people with weapons.
Vincent Chin was beaten by multiple people with weapons. Nicolas Nowillo died of a heart attack.
Derrion Albert was beaten by multiple people with weapons.
Kevin Kless was beaten by multiple people.

But please by all means compare the group attacks of armed individuals against single unarmed people to one punk with skittles fighting a full grown adult with a gun in a populated area with police already on the way.

Are you HONESTLY telling me that you can look at pictures of Zimmerman taken that night and say you feel like he was on the verge of a life threatening beating?

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