 MadMan66
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 56 Posts
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Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:24:25 AM
@collegebound - I know this is poo old, but are you from Anderson? I live in Anderson... originally from Indianapolis. Where I work we occasionally work with the cops here, and believe me, they are some of the worst at caring about their jobs |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6308 Posts
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Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:05:46 AM
They'd better do it legally, then. |
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 collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3472 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:48:40 PM
"The law didn't need to be changed because there isn't an epidemic of rogue police in Indiana, he said."
horse poo. Come to Anderson :| |
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 CynicalGamer
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
164 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:31:38 PM
I live in Indiana and I am glad to see this coming to light. |
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 turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
1811 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:41:46 PM
The problem with cops, is that the people who WANT to be cops...are the exact people who SHOULDN'T have authority. |
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 keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2319 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:22:23 PM
Good. Hope they get shot. Shouldn't have took the job. Never met a cop I liked. Can't call them for help, they'll always try and somehow twist the situation around and accuse you of a crime. That's their job. Not to help or protect you, only to accuse you to be later prosecuted and ultimately reprimanded. That is their sole purpose, don't put the "serve and protect" framework around it. It doesn't stand up. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6407 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:01:34 PM
I support this version of Stand Your Ground. |
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 UserIDTaken9
Male, 18-29, Western US
52 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:24:57 PM
Killing a cop in self defense should be at most an affirmative defense/mitigating factor. This means protecting yourself from violent rogue police officers won't mean ending up in prison. By passing a highly publicized law specifically allowing shooting cops the police officers will end up much more trigger-happy dueto increased fear from nutjobs. |
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 Stonardsftw
Male, 18-29, Western US
319 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:21:46 PM
Finally. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25635 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:25:47 PM
CrakrJak - if they ever post the video I'll blog the back story of the attacker and the survivors. Or if you want the long winded version the Young Turks reported on it. takes 5 minutes |
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 swoop408
Male, 18-29, Western US
1768 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:01:41 PM
Hellz yea!!! Citizens have a right to defend themselves from illegal entry by ANYONE. F*CK THE PO-LEESE! |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:54:14 AM
Gerry: That was your submission? I seen it in the 'live submission' list, liked it. It should be posted. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:52:51 AM
I'm betting this will make cops double check their address on warrants from now on, those no=knock warrants especially. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2410 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:41:12 AM
@Agent00Smith
'Blah blah blah you people disgust me with your arguments'
Wow! You are so edgy and cool. Can I be your friend? |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25635 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:38:47 AM
You know what would compliment this thread nicely?
A Pro-Gun thread.
Like the video I've submitted a half dozen times that can't get approved because it doesn't fit in with some mods anti-gun bias.
Just a thought. Go back to your bickering. |
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 Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1137 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:25:49 AM
Blah blah blah you people disgust me with your arguments. Cops kill innocent people all the time, no one cares. What goes around comes around. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2410 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:03:32 AM
of non-compliance. (Hey that was only 999 characters!)
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Having said that I agree that the police get away with far too much when they kill someone illegally. They are trained professionals (or if they are not your society is in bad trouble) and should be held more accountable not less for misusing their power and being reckless of human life. |
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 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
5420 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:01:16 AM
About time. But getting rid of guns would be better. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5274 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:00:47 AM
@LordJim: I believe you are correct. Also, police are never alone. If a person shoots one cop, the others are likely to kill him. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2410 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:55:14 AM
The law itself may be reasonable, it's what people will think it says that could get some police officers killed. Many people are not very bright or good at making decisions. Many people have scrambled their brains through drugs or booze. These are the people the police spend quite a lot of time encountering.
They may well find that their defence is not valid, but the cop stays dead. I don't know how it works in the US, but in the UK the police don't need a warrant if they believe a crime is in progress. Which is only sensible, really.
So, scenario; neighbours report screams and sounds of violence coming from a house where the guy has a history of domestic violence. They arrive, hear screams, no reply when they knock. They break down the door.
They guy is drunk, not bright and vaguely heard that you can shoot a cop for home invasion. Is he more or less likely to try and shoot it out? Are the cops, knowing this, more or less likely to shoot at the first sign o |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5274 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:39:24 AM
...But I see where you're coming from, that the searches are unreasonable. Unfortunately, the law interprets it a different way, since people have tried to blow up planes fairly recently in your country. I think where it falls apart is that since you are never forced to submit, you give permission and therefore it is not unreasonable. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5274 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:34:11 AM
@dstbstr: I don't see how it's irrelevant. Yes, you pay, but you have to abide by their rules. I agree with you 100% that it's just smoke-and-mirrors, the illusion of security. I could tell you 5 ways to get a bomb on a plane here without ever getting on the plane itself.
As I said before, I don't know the TSA rules, but since you aren't forced to get the search (i.e. you aren't forced to fly), and you can tell them to stop whenever you want, you are hamstrung. It's their way or the highway, literally. But if the TSA were profiling people using the Israeli model, your people would b*tch about it being racist/unfair/etc. How is a TSA person to know that you are dangerous unless they search your belongings and/or person? |
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 dstbstr
Male, 18-29, Western US
33 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:58:54 AM
Stating that it's not our right to fly is accurate, but irrelevant in the discussion. The TSA is intending to move outside of airports, and into all public transportation. We're giving up more of our freedoms for the illusion of security. It may be a privilege to fly, but I pay for that privilege. It is, however, my right to have protection from illegal search and seizure without probably cause. Unless I appear to be dangerous, it is unconstitutional to search my belongings. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:54:19 AM
I'm pretty sure the state of Texas can shoot cops if they step far enough out of line. What I would really like to see in my state is a law that would prevent the death penalty being applied in cases where cops got killed while they were undercover. The way I see it they accept the risk of not being identified without their uniform. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5274 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:52:54 AM
Now we just need to get the TSA to respect the 4th amendment too...
Having done the equivalent of the TSA job in Canada, I can say that we, at least, needed to ask permission before we searched someone/looked in a bag etc. I don't know if the TSA has to ask, but up here you can say stop at any time. When people would joke around and say "What if I say no?" I would tell them that Greyhound has reasonable rates.
Bottom line: It's not your right to fly. If you want to do that then you have to go by their rules. You can always take the bus/train. |
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