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 Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2094 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:11:21 AM
@dang007
"Did you forget your VAT tax in that little calculation???"
I clearly stated that I was talking about income-based taxes. VAT is expenditure-based, and quite a bit harder to measure.
"And yes."
I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm genuinely interested to see a comparison. How much do you pay in income-based taxes, and how much do you spend for your healthcare? |
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 thescotsman
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
54 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:06:23 PM
Nurses deserve way more than they are getting-They do all the work while the docs get all the money-I went to see a spinal specialist in Boston, after looking at my MRI, and a 6 minute exam, he said I don't need surgery-and charged me $485.00 dollars-I don't care how well qualified you are 15 minutes does not equate to that much money--I refuse to pay. |
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 DShephard
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1587 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 5:58:37 PM
My dear mother is a Surgical Nurse, and she worked 72 hours last week.
She deserves every penny she got for it, and da*n whoever says she doesn't. |
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Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
130 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:27:25 PM
its funny how the graph that shows elderly population also reflects how bad elderly people have it in the US. All the other countries are rising, the US is falling.
Does this show worse or better living standards than the rest of the world? And indirectly the skill of respective doctors? |
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dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
489 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 12:00:09 PM
Do Americans typically pay less than 19% of their income for all their national and local income-based taxes, and payments for fully-comprehensive healthcare?
Did you forget your VAT tax in that little calculation???
And yes. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 9:42:04 AM
@peixao13
"It is expensive because of the free-loaders that use Emergency rooms as their "free clinic""
So...you're just going to ignore all the facts in that image that give completely different reasons?
You're not even going to refute the facts? Just ignore them? |
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 peixao13
Male, 18-29, Western US
66 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:28:56 AM
huskernut97 why in the hell are you giving a pregnant woman an ASA?
I love reading this as I sit on call for my hospitals ER. Why just today I had an unemployed pregnant female with abdominal pain. After all lab tests and a thorough physical exam I confirmed she is fine. She has no insurance. SO let me know, next time should I turn her away, or will you begrudgingly pay $5 (the actual price) for a single aspirin, since she pain nothing?
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peixao13
Male, 18-29, Western US
66 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:24:58 AM
It is expensive because of the free-loaders that use Emergency rooms as their "free clinic" They don't pay and we end up paying for their bills and own. That is what is broken!! |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:40:27 AM
If you're stupid enough to believe this $#!+, you deserve to die on a waiting list.
Better that than dying in an ambulance because every hospital ER is on "divert."
If I am sick and want to see a doctor, I don't even need an appointment, I just go to my minor emerg clinic and see the doctor on call. 2 hrs max and I'm out of there, sometimes it's been as low as 20 mins. without an appointment. Oh and I don't need to bring my debit card with me either.
Typical American argument: "You think gov't will run it better?!?!"
Typical person with universal HC: "I wouldn't get rid of it for anything."
The problem is what others have said, US runs HC strictly for the bottom line, which is ridiculous. HMOs have their gooey tendrils so far into your system that we should just pull the plug on your HC system, format and reinstall a better system. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2094 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 5:01:52 AM
@Saott
"I'd much rather pay higher taxes (like I do, relative to the US) to fund public services like health care"
You know, I wonder if that is even true and necessary. Here in the "socialist nightmare" of the UK, my total income-based tax burden* is 19% of my income.
Do Americans typically pay less than 19% of their income for all their national and local income-based taxes, and payments for fully-comprehensive healthcare?
*Breakdown:
National Insurance (pays for healthcare, pensions and unemployment benefit, plus a few other bits and bobs)
Council-tax (technically not income-based, but rather based on the value of my home, but I included it anyway for fairness; pays for local services such as refuse, fire-fighting, roads and lighting, etc).
Income tax (plain old tax, pays for all the other national stuff). |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6354 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 3:22:14 AM
America, I just hope you don't get cancer and die. |
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 Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
3534 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:18:49 AM
Ha, I just realized Saott and I presented two fundamentally different inquiries to you. |
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Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
3534 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:16:40 AM
Ollie, did you even read this infograph? The first 4 reasons cited are MYTHS according to the author, not issues for which they are advocating on behalf of. If anything, I would have expected you to agree with at least two of the 2nd section's items - the incentive of healthcare providers to charge as much as they can based on our already-existing subsidies (insurance-based or otherwise), and administrative overhead which underlies the absurdly litigious culture that we have here in America.
What exactly about this did you determine to be socialist claptrap? |
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 avail9988
Male, 18-29, Australia
621 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14:12 AM
No idea what your talking about my stitches are free.. |
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 Saott
Male, 18-29, Canada
16 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:10:19 AM
OldOllie: Explain to me what the problem is with socialist health care? The 10 highest-ranked countries in the world for health care use a public or public-private system. And why is it different to pay your regular health insurance payments in one lump sum however often you pay it, rather than being charged in small amounts in the form of additional taxes on goods?
Personally, I'd much rather pay higher taxes (like I do, relative to the US) to fund public services like health care, and know that if I or someone I care about need it, we have it, and that even if I'm not making use of it any time soon, other people are. I help them, and when I'll most likely need it at some point in the future, they'll be helping me. |
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 Tacos4Brkfst
Male, 18-29, Western US
562 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:33:11 PM
@seeblz
My opinions, if i wanted to write a well researched essay on something, i wouldn't be doing it on iab.
My sources? Healthcare workers, including those who have the ability to prescribe narcotics. It's a sad state of affairs when doctors fear for their lives when they prescribe Ibuprofen.
But like i said, i hope people aren't getting their information from a blog, or even worse, some non-nice individual on i-a-b. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8751 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:13:42 PM
What a bunch of socialist claptrap. Oh, yeah, the biggest problem we have is that the government isn't doing ENOUGH to f*** up the health care system.
If you're stupid enough to believe this $#!+, you deserve to die on a waiting list. |
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 patridiot
Male, 30-39, Western US
120 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:04:54 PM
From someone in the healthcare industry, there is some truth to this. We spend more time trying to collect from insurance companies than we do serving the patient. Some insurances (Cigna) take up to a year to pay. Also, the higher prices we have to charge are often dictated by the insurance companies. |
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 Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
1514 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:42:40 PM
Why the graph? The reason is one word:Greed. |
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 SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
3529 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:56:52 PM
huskernut97: No, you shouldn't turn her away. You're somehow saying that if she DID have insurance it would be worth it. That money still comes from somewhere. |
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SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
3529 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:55:27 PM
They claim doctors are overpaid, but how many years does it take a doctor to pay back student loans? Medical training is the most severely overpriced education there is, and that cost eventually gets to the patient. |
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 Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
839 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:27:25 PM
So i assume there are no free clinics every 10 blocks like there are here? no appt neccessary ^^
Also 300k is absurd. |
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 eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:45:29 PM
@markust123 I still have a family doctor too, but Gerry is right. They are dying out. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:33:49 PM
"There is no such thing anymore as a "Family Doctor". "
I must be lucky. I've had the same family doctor for about 20 years. Every new insurance policy I have received has let me stay with him. He's a wonderful wonderful man. He's my brother's doctor also. |
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 huskernut97
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
11 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:33:35 PM
I love reading this as I sit on call for my hospitals ER. Why just today I had an unemployed pregnant female with abdominal pain. After all lab tests and a thorough physical exam I confirmed she is fine. She has no insurance. SO let me know, next time should I turn her away, or will you begrudgingly pay $5 (the actual price) for a single aspirin, since she pain nothing? |
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