 PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1149 Posts
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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:56:40 AM
It's funny how much you two rag on folks like 5Cats and Ollie, but you two are just the polar opposites.
So much, this. What's worse is they represent so many people like themselves who spend more time arguing with each other about talking points and hating the other that no real progress is made and the rich leaders who claim one side or the other continue to violate what they supposedly stand for while raking in our money. |
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 Penguinato23
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
295 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:40:06 PM
Unfortunately I think patchgrabber hit the nail on the head.
There are many people who really don't even know what's best for them. They know hear-say and what random people have told them about an issue, sometimes less than that, then form an opinion based upon what is essentially nothing.
With the sort of access internet provides these days I find it disconcerting that people are so very unwilling to take a greater role in increasing their knowledge about laws and our system in general.
I may fall on the liberal side of the spectrum, but I'd rather have an educated, well versed, well meaning conservative voter who at least has some basis for their beliefs than a self-professed party democrat who has no idea and simply votes blindly based on random emotion or on what they're told to.
I think the problem is that humans weren't designed for government; our ancestors would only be in groups of up to ~150. I often wonder if that isn't much of the prob |
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 eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 4:37:44 PM
@Muert They do. A lot of them just push the blame to the other side though. |
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 Muert
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
134 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 11:54:59 AM
I had to read the comments before I realized this was a partisan cartoon. I thought all politicians did everything in it. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8764 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 9:53:09 AM
Wow! It's a straw man convention! |
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Paot1
Male, 18-29, Canada
28 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 9:21:50 AM
There really is no government that works the way it should. We, as people, have to re-evaluate everything. And that, is not going to happen. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:52:34 AM
The problem is that the issues are too complex for average people to understand. This is also the problem with letting everyone vote on an issue when they understand only what some politician tells them about the issue. This isn't a partisan thing, it's universal: having some high school dropout working construction vote on something they know nothing about is absurd.
I just watched a documentary called "Hot Coffee" about tort reform and mandatory arbitration. One man who was awarded damages by a jury of his peers, only to have the award significantly adjusted down due to non-economic damages caps that he helped vote into law. His reaction: the legislation being voted upon was for "those frivolous lawsuits," not for his case.
Classic example of someone who knows nothing of a law helping vote it in. |
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spedersen
Male, 18-29, Western US
7 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:21:53 PM
couldn't be farther from the truth |
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 Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3338 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:50:19 PM
~throws acorn at JT~ |
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 Atrayu4u
Female, 18-29, Western US
1111 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:27:43 PM
No political cartoons, please... |
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 jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:24:58 PM
@squirelz: and redundant. |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3338 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:13:13 PM
@Eddy: I agree 100% with you that politicians of all stripes are part of the problem. Our political system has become dysfunctional--there is no other word.
The cartoonist's point, I think, is that moneyed interests have so gamed our political system that it's no longer functioning as a democracy (or at least, not very well). If you've got the money, you have two methods to force your interest through the system: (1) Saturate the populace with disinformation and propaganda, so you can turn the public tide in your favor; or (2) buy the politician, and get him or her to vote for your agenda over the objections of the voters.
It's a sorry state of affairs.
My chief objection to Random's post is he starts by dismissing socialists and liberals as "idiots." Liberal that I am, I would never dismiss conservatives as "idiots." That's not thinking; it's the opposite. |
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eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:03:00 PM
@Squrlz4Sale I actually kind of agree with the first part of his comment. Every politician contributes to a lot of these problems. It's not really party-specific.
I don't know what kind of study would show the claim he made in the second part though, or what that has to do with this post. |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3338 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:53:12 PM
@Eddy666: Perhaps. I'd like to give Random the benefit of the doubt, but his comment sounds an awful lot like, "I heard of a recent study mentioned by Rush Limbaugh yesterday...."
It's been awhile since I've had a political discussion on here and I was kinda looking forward to getting into one. (Civil, of course.) |
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eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:44:33 PM
@Squrlz4Sale Maybe it's a self-directed study? |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3338 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:40:03 PM
Where did Randomxnp go? He pretty much based his entire comment on "a recent study," but when asked for a link... nothing. ~Squrlz scratches head~ |
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eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:56:57 PM
@markust123
Another ironic post by markust! That's the third I've seen today. I'm going to start keeping score! |
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eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:54:45 PM
I don't think that some of these things are problems. The "e-coli" burgers thing doesn't even make that much sense. The FDA actually does a somewhat decent job of regulating the food market. Also, the 'limit our internet freedom' thing doesn't make much sense either. Most people are against censorship legislation. Also, some of these things are true, but they are going to happen with any Republican or Democratic candidate there is (hooray partisan politics)! For example, wire-tapping is something that both Bush and Obama love. |
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eddy666
Male, 30-39, Southern US
522 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:51:52 PM
@madest And you and markust would cut yours off if Lord Obama told you to. It's funny how much you two rag on folks like 5Cats and Ollie, but you two are just the polar opposites. Anyways, why don't you actually make a comment that's relevant to the post for a change? |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3338 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:05:43 PM
@Randomxnp: And what "recent study" would that be? Link? Something from the Cato Institute? The Heritage Foundation? The Heartland Institute? Oh, the anticipation! |
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 DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3528 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:36:54 PM
While I agree with the sentiment, using a straw man argument is never ok. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6407 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:18:54 PM
There are IABers who would would cut off their own dicks if republicans told them to. |
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randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
779 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:17:16 PM
This is a great illustration of what complete idiots socialists (THEY ARE NOT LIBERAL, AMERICA; they are the most illiberal, self-righteous people around) are. They genuinely think this cartoon represents something meaningful, and something about capitalism.
It hardly came as a surprise when a recent study found that nearly everyone on the right understood left-wing views, and almost no-one on the left understood right-wing views. This is the cartoon of that. |
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jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 2:04:14 PM
markust123: "People that don't get this don't see that they are repeatedly supporting a vote against their own interests."
Why would anyone want to vote for their own interests when it's obviously better to vote for the interests of others and hope that that eventually trickles down? Jeez, don't you watch Fox News? |
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3338 Posts
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Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:40:43 PM
@Yusuksomuch: LOL. I'm a squirrel, not a lemming. Big distinction. =^.^= |
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