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America's Health Care System = A Massive Pig

Hits: 7784 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 542 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:39:59 PM
@OldOllie: Just curious, but how exactly do you think that all of the public services you enjoy get paid for? If you think you deserve to be protected from injustice, then you need to help pay for the police, the courts, and the rest to protect you. Paying to make sure we all receive healthcare is no different.

I honestly do not see how any person can, in good conscience, think that an honest citizen deserves WORSE healthcare than a convicted criminal in our prison system.

As for the "death panels", please stop listening to conservative nonsense and get a real education in the facts. Repeating the falsehoods of FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of those prejudiced liars just makes you look ignorant.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13402 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:38:55 PM
In the words of that great Cuban-American philosopher Ricky Ricardo, lemme 'splian you sumpthin.

A right cannot impose an obligation on another person; therefore, health care cannot be a right. Neither is it a privilege, since it is freely accessible to anyone who can afford it, and is usually accessible even to those who can't.

Health care is a collection of products and services. Some claim that it is somehow in a different class from other products and services because it is essential to life. However, the same can be said for food, clothing, shelter, and transportation, but we generally don't call for the government to take over those industries. In fact, where the government has taken them over, as in the old Soviet Union, the result has always been shortages and deprivation such as that which resulted in the starvation of over 10 million Ukrainians. If Obamacare takes hold and you live in a Red state, you'll be lucky to get band-aids and aspirin.

Wowummwow
Male, 18-29, Western US
 266 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:16:19 PM
"And how dare they make us get insurance for health-care for human beings, its not like they make us insure our cars. Yeesh."

Many people in urban areas don't need a car due to that socialist thing called public transportation. How dare they give people a cost efficient option!!!

Tobunshi
Male, 18-29, Europe
 681 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:13:44 PM
@thatjimguy

He doesn't seem to be talking that fast to me. But one reason could be that a lot of people tend to skip long videos. Another reason could be the fact that it says "summarized", so it should be brief.

scapegoat7
Male, 18-29, Western US
 201 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:10:42 PM
Boo Socialism!!! We don't need roads, schools, fire departments, or hospitals. God-damn hippies!!!

And how dare they make us get insurance for health-care for human beings, its not like they make us insure our cars. Yeesh.

thatjimguy
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 446 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:07:32 PM
Why do so many of these kind of videos think that talking really really fast makes it better?

Wowummwow
Male, 18-29, Western US
 266 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:06:44 PM
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life..."

Life... hmm... life...

Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 1306 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:00:32 PM
Here is a thought, if we took better care of ourselves the cost of healthcare would drop. It's called "being responsible".

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:17:50 PM

Go, KitFox, Go!

There may be hope for this country after all. Apparently, despite a perpetual tsunami of right-wing think tank propaganda, the younger generation recognizes a FUBAR system in need of reform when they see it.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 9:04:57 PM
This video is like 3 years old...

Are you posting it again because the Supreme Court may strike down the mandate and we'll have this fight all over again? Maybe we'll actually get a public option next time.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11791 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:58:54 PM
You guys are so funny. So may dying because of others' greed.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13402 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:33:02 PM
I'm still amazed that you guys haven't got this sorted out. Here, our health care is funded by the government. I can walk into my doctor's office, be seen, walk out and never see a bill.

Right, and you only had to wait, what, 8 weeks to get in? If the Canadian system is so great, then answer these two questions:

1) Why do you see so many Canadian license plates in the parking logs of American hospitals and clinics near the Canadian border?

2)If we adopt a Canadian-style socialist health care system, where will those Canadians go to keep from dying on a waiting list?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24388 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:22:25 PM
@patchouly: I'm waiting 4-6 MONTHS to get some treatment, at this very moment. Yeah, our system is great!

So why do thousands of Canadians travel south for treatments & surgery? Because they don't want to DIE waiting to see the specialist!@ If the USA's care was so bad, they would visit US! Never happens though.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24388 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:19:01 PM
What in the heck happened to my post?!


Lolz! @SmagBoy! It's one of those "mysterious IAB things..."

KitFox
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 416 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 8:10:38 PM
People get off-topic when they ask whether healthcare is a privilege or a right. They're basically just arguing about semantics. The point is that a well-run society would presumably want all of their citizens to have access to good healthcare. To people living outside the US (because I feel that I'd be preaching to an American choir), my theory is that the "powers that be" do not want people to have this access because of greed and control. The "powers that be" are Big Agriculture and Big Pharma. Keeping us sick and addicted to sugary/carby junk food makes us easier to control and turns profit for BigAg, and providing poor healthcare makes people have to keep going back for treatment which funds BigPharma. These two "Big Brothers" are the ones that own the government, and make sure laws and procedures favor them, not the general public. It's that simple.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4528 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:53:51 PM
I'm still amazed that you guys haven't got this sorted out. Here, our health care is funded by the government. I can walk into my doctor's office, be seen, walk out and never see a bill. I can go to the hospital and be treated, go home and never see a bill. Everything from stitches to open heart surgery, all fully covered. I can't imagine what it must be like to have to pay for your health care. A scary thing.

thubanstar
Female, 40-49, Southern US
 804 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:33:58 PM
Well said, Gerry.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16866 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:27:18 PM
The public option is a massive government power grab. The government already has too much power over our healthcare system. There will be no negotiated pricing, there will be rationing and older people won't get the care they need. The 'Death Panels' are in the bill, they are the non-nice individuals that will tell you that granny can't have a heart valve replaced because she's 70+ years old and should just go home and die instead.

What is needed is tort reform, get the damn money grubbing lawyers out of the system and allow people to set up health savings accounts for themselves and you'll see costs and wait times go down.

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2083 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:17:54 PM
What if there wasn't any insurance companies and everyone had to pay cash?

Keyh
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 227 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:44:20 PM
I have a question. Do the health care expenditure numbers include elective procedures? Also, does it include 'retirement' home costs? Psychiatric Hospitals? At home nursing?

The talk about eliminating "unnecessary procedures" kind of pushes me to thinking that elective procedures are included.

Also, you have to consider people who die on waiting lists, or give up on procedures all together due to them. If they die/give up before the procedure, they're not going to spend the money. It's probably not a huge difference, but it's a difference.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4156 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:28:08 PM
What in the heck happened to my post?!

I just tried to provide a source.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4156 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:26:02 PM
5Cats, lawyers and lawsuits aren't the problem--well, not to omuch. In states that control damages (TX and CA, for example), even though insurance costs are less, they didn't decrease nearly as much as the reduced awards. And doctors in those states still order way too many tests and unnecessary procedures to "protect themselves." I guess I can understand why. Even though most docs are sued in their careers, only about 1/3 of all doctors actually deserve it. If malpractice insurance would charge doctors like they charge drivers, based on risk (pay out), about 2/3 of doctors would have to pay very little as they're almost never successfully sued. Yet, insurance companies will NEVER do this. Again, it's capitalism. Too, if lawmakers would require costs to be paid for frivolous malpractice suits...

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4156 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:18:53 PM
We spend about 25-30% of all healthcare dollars on the last year of life. And most (nearly 80%) of that is in the last month! And a lot of it is painful care that does almost no good and is paid for almost entirely by the government.

If we consider who makes all of the rules for healthcare, who determines almost all of the rules (the government, and they do so by being such a huge customer, almost 2 of every 3 healthcare dollrs spent in the country), the fact that we allow any free market capitalism in the system is pure nuts. We need to get things under control and fix the HUGE

Toomuchcoffe
Male, 30-39, Asia
 43 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:12:04 PM
Too bad America did't elect an IAB member, you guys seem to have the answers.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:50:37 PM
@Gerry: Love that infograph of yours. Should be required reading for every voter.

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