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A Crown Crust Fit For The Queen's Jubilee

Hits: 6641 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: Funny | Added by: dropkick2011
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PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 11:32:31 AM
Ah! the guillotine, what a great invention...

burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
 859 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 9:43:07 AM
Gerry: I call him that because if there is to be a constitutional monarch they should keep their nose out of politics. He has used his influence to have taxes used to fund his favorite homeopathic medicine, criticized politicians openly, angered architects, built a crap housing estate, and claims to be an organic farmer, but has his crops rejected by supermarkets for being inferior. He wants to send Britain back to a pastoral society. He believes that we should look to Islam as a model for environmentalism. He should STFU up stick to opening supermarkets and not try to use his position to sell his nostalgic and eccentric views. That's why I say he is an idiot. Here is a link The majority of British people do not want him to be king.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 8:40:16 AM

Hi burbclaver, nice to meet you. Why do you say "Her idiot son" ? Over the last 50 years Charles has generaly done a good job. Yes, in the 80s he and his wife did not get on well and they mucked up their marriage. I loved Diana, but it's been 30 years almost, time to get over it.

I think Charles will make a good king. Though with a brief reign and then Williams up there and everyone loves Kate so win/win!

burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
 859 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 8:07:39 AM
@Gerry1of1. Hi, Gerry I don't think we've been introduced, but I have seen yor posts. Yes, she does a good job for what it's worth, but the point is that her idiot son Charles automatically gets the job next when she snuffs it. Then there'll be a big outcry by people who didn't understand what it meant to have an hereditary monarchy and thought they were going to get that sweet William chap and his nice wife. You won't be seeing 80% approval then. Also, since she isn't a politician and more of a celebrity, the approval rating doesn't compare.

Mister_C
Male, 18-29, Europe
 664 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 3:48:59 AM
All the lookalikes were quite good apart from Philip who just looked stupid.

Seems they were all dubbed though.

Buiadh
Male, 30-39, Europe
 6653 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 1:54:24 AM
Machiavelli said (and I'm paraphrasing here) - "A state that cannot change into a dictatorship in times of need is a country doomed to fail."

Now, perhaps this was more applicable in the past especially as our figurehead has no real power, but the premise is still there. Sometimes, as has happened in history, an elected government squabbles over what should be done and what they need is one person to have the overruling say on matters of extreme importance.

That is why the monarchy has worked so well for the UK over the years.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Monday, June 04, 2012 12:10:02 AM
Angilion, you completely missed the point of my post.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:08:00 PM

@ burbclaver - and that "inbred nincompoop" as you called her has an 80% approval rating from her subjects. Any politician will kill thier 1st born male child for numbers like that. Can you even name one politician with success like that?

burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
 859 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:27:52 PM
It doesn't matter how imperfect an electoral system is, at least you have the chance to influence who gets the job. In Britain, the job of head of state automatically passes to the next inbred royal nincompoop who stands mostly for the head of a class system that promotes privilege over hard work.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:24:49 PM
@Angilion, that's so similar to getting a wage I don't really see what the difference is


OK, then I'll offer you the same deal.

You work for me, promoting my interests, entertaining my guests, etc.

You give me most of your money.

I give you 17% of it back, but on condition that you spend it only on the expenses you incur as a result of your work for me.



Do you see the difference between that deal and me paying you a wage?

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:44:51 PM
I think burbclaver would prefer to cling to the illusion of electoral vote that exists in the US, than to the illusion of electoral vote that exists anywhere else in the world

Jowsh
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1234 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:42:10 PM
@burbclaver I'm not exactly a royal family fan but tourism revenue as a result is a well known fact, hardly 'bull crap'. I agree their role is a somewhat ridiculous headscrew. Will Self wrote quite an interesting article touching on the role of royalty in today's society, here is an excerpt regarding the Queen I rather liked:

"A real, living woman, who, in the absence of a constitutional role beyond being a fleshly stamp for legislation, is reduced to a tedious go-round of functions that are symbolic only of this: that while our society may pay lip service to equality of opportunity, our fundamental values remain those of inherited wealth and privilege;"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18205999

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:08:35 PM
I think democracy means you are elected! Anything else is not democracy


The thing is, though, we don't even have that in the UK. What we have is the illusion of electoral power, but the reality of politicians making solemn promises on the campaign trail, then abandoning those promises 5 minutes after the votes are counted, and going on to ignore the will of the people the whole time they're in office.

At present, we've got a Prime Minister that couldn't even command a majority in Parliament, until he managed to persuade the third most popular party to join him in a coalition (how it's legitimate in any democracy for a party that didn't even come second, but *third*, to have any say in running the country is anyone's guess).

So, a constitutional Monarchy, whilst not perfect, is at least as good as any other political system that's yet been tried. The Queen has no say in the way the country is run - none - unlike some unelected politicians.

burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
 859 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54:26 PM
The argument that the Queen brings in a load of tourists is non-provable bull crap. And it's not even the point. You think someone should get a job because their dad had the same job? I think democracy means you are elected! Anything else is not democracy and it doesn't matter if you say she has no real power. She is head of f***cking state!

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:40:22 PM
The rent from the Queen's land that she gives to the treasury is almost 6 times as much as those expenses. She pays taxes on the rest of her income too, unlike many rich people.


I must confess, I didn't know that. Thanks for teaching me something I didn't know. Looks like there is indeed an independently-managed organisation called The Crown Estates, which manages a range of properties and land assets that are technically owned by the reigning Monarch (though they can't sell them), and that historically was surrendered to Parliament in exchange for the payments the Royals receive through the Civil List.

The assests managed range from shopping centres to mineral rights, and produce an annual revenue of about £230 million, which goes directly to the Treasury (i.e., back to the tax payer). The Royal Family only costs the tax payer approx £38 million each year in Civil List payments.

So, sounds like a bargain for us taxpayers really.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13449 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:54:04 PM
According to the roysl family the royal family bring inloads of tourist income. They greet all the tourists I guess ROFL!!

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32:36 PM
@Angilion, that's so similar to getting a wage I don't really see what the difference is

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:30:15 PM
@MacGuffin: Doesn't the rent from their land sustains their salary? (Because from what I know they do get paid) and they relinquish the rest from the fixed wage to the people of England?


They don't really get paid. The payment from the treasury is to cover expenses incurred in their work for the country. Heads of state are expensive - staff costs, security, travel, hosting visitors from other countries, etc.

The rent from the Queen's land that she gives to the treasury is almost 6 times as much as those expenses. She pays taxes on the rest of her income too, unlike many rich people.

FredSpudman
Male, 18-29, Europe
 606 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:54:01 AM
@Gerry Yes with the pride thing. I found myself agreeing with both camps. Language is rubbish sometimes. 'specially if it's French.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:42:00 AM
@MacGuffin: Doesn't the rent from their land sustains their salary? (Because from what I know they do get paid) and they relinquish the rest from the fixed wage to the people of England?

That's what I learned from: CGPGrey

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:37:24 AM

MacGuffin,
"I think being proud merely of being born anywhere is pretty stupid"

I understand what you're saying, but I think it's a flaw in our language. Like 'love', Pride has many forms but only one word to express it. Pride in accomplishments is very differant from Pride in Country. They should be seperate words.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:27:49 AM

Her Maj has got an 80% approval rating.
Show me a politician with those numbers?

Case made.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:26:20 AM

markust123,
"A queen watching a queen - love it"

In my head I could hear "OH SNAP" as I read that!
Well played, sir. Well played.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:21:17 AM
The UK makes a lot of profit off the royal family.


If that were true, then they would be a self-sustaining commercial entity, and wouldn't need to be subsidised.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:32:44 AM
@Gerry1of1 "Oh McGovern, not even a good attampt to troll on Her jubilee day. I'm watching it on tv and loving all of it, you go back to your wrestling program or Pickers or whatever you were watching."

A queen watching a queen - love it.

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