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 PopCap
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 229 Posts
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Monday, June 04, 2012 3:44:50 PM
It's not much different from slave ownership. More like slave contractorship. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:42:17 AM
@burbclaver: He worked on this cube? :O
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:00:07 AM
The money goes to feed Steve Jobs empty soul for future world dominationz!!! |
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 burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
859 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:16:08 AM
People close to me worked in a cube as a contractor for 10 years at HP. They did the same job as employees, but got no benefits, couldn't use any corporate facilities, couldn't attend company social events, were forced to take unpaid vacation every year, and weren't even allowed to drink the company coffee. They were given red name tags so they could be easily identified. |
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 sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
2010 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:07:45 AM
Stopped at 11 minute mark. I don't see any worse then a lot of third world country working conditions. Yes workers are not paid enough & yes they work like robots for way longer then the brain & body can cope but it's completely voluntary!
The suicides are management issues not Applea responsibility.
Don't see anything that will stop me from buying apple products.
What this situation needs is local labour law activist. |
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 New_Guy
Male, 30-39, Europe
329 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:23:04 AM
propaganda |
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 thenedman
Male, 18-29, Europe
225 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:03:33 AM
@ryan99 Not that I am defending Apple or the low pay, as honestly Apple are dicks, but that $2 a hour will go a lot further in China. I lived in Beijing for 2 months and if you looked around you could get a equivalent 3 course meal for $2. Though it was then another $1 for a coke as they have some weird soda tax that makes them expensive. |
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 ryan99
Male, 13-17, Western US
2349 Posts
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:52:20 AM
Maaan. $2 per hour. That's unreal. |
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 Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 9:30:02 PM
What's the problem? Seems like a better gig for untalented uneducated tweens than joining the military. I mean, really, compare this to some guy working the flight deck on a US naval carrier.
I mean, I understand the importance of manual labor to the psyche. The amount of it required on a flight deck is probably the reason the suicide rate is no where near what these chinese are suggesting at their plant. That said, just as repetitive, same shifts, comparable wages, isolation, grievance resolution, and risks to ones health.
Big whoop. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8767 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 8:07:19 PM
If Apple made all their iCrap in America, 90% of their customers couldn't afford it. |
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 jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
2356 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 6:47:19 PM
I don't see what's so bad about this, looks way better than my old job at Tim Horton's |
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 uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
790 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 6:12:44 PM
Yup Apple is exploiting everyone who buys their products |
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 miasmaat
Female, 18-29, Western US
299 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 6:00:32 PM
Propaganda. You are still exploitative bastards apple. |
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 r66tramp
Male, 40-49, Canada
676 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 5:07:48 PM
Suicide nets! Threatening to jump off the roof of the building in protest!
Sounds like a perfectly normal place to me.
Lets face the truth together: Publicly traded corporations are inherently evil. The bottom line IS the bottom line. Quality of life, welfare and the environment mean nothing. |
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uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
790 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 5:06:27 PM
No such thing as a bad job |
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 are7era
Male, 18-29, Europe
559 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 4:53:51 PM
what a bunch of stupid pro-apple propaganda. We should all love apple now because their exploits of the Chinese has resulted in these Chinese people not being AS exploited as they could be. |
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 whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2269 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 4:40:29 PM
@dm2754 - "The labor union is the epitome of Communism"
If it wasn't for labor unions you wouldn't enjoy most of the paid holidays, paid vacation, and paid sick leave you get every year. Most of the negative bullsh*t you hear about them is thrown out there because whatever non-union company it is you work for enjoys getting away with paying you peanuts while the ones at the top of the food chain rake in millions.
After going through a four year apprenticeship with the IBEW as a journeyman, depending on the type of job, I can expect to be paid anywhere from $30-$55/hr. I have a friend with the exact same training and experience who makes around $18-$20/hr in a non-union shop. Sure we pay dues to the local, but that's nowhere near what the difference in pay is between union/non-union shops, plus a nice pension & healthcare plan after retirement. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2422 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 3:09:54 PM
CrakrJak
Re: Putin, can't argue with that. Russia has never really tasted freedom (you can't really call a violent kleptoctracy freedom) and doesn't seem likely to any time soon.
But the student activists, journalists etc. who are protesting Putin, are they useful idiots for someone? |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 1:40:41 PM
dm2754: Labor unions, Student activists, Reporters and Socialist politicians are what Lenin called 'Useful idiots'. Why? Because once communism takes hold completely, they eliminate those 'Agents of Influence', send them to gulags and prisons, or just kill them. Once the realization sets in that they are loosing all their freedoms, they'll attempt to stop it, but by then it's too late. The counter-revolutionary threat is eliminated before it begins to grow in strength.
Putin is already arresting protestors, crushing the free press, doing what he was trained to do by the KGB. If Russia doesn't rid itself of him soon they'll slip right back into a dictatorship.
A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. - Thomas Jefferson |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2422 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 12:41:36 PM
What was wrong with that? Safe, clean, regular work that won't cripple you. I used to work night-shift on a powdered soup production line, got home and into the shower and I was ankle-deep in minestrone. Bloody Royco.
If there is anything outrage-worthy going on it wasn't apparent from this. |
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 dm2754
Male, 30-39, Western US
2771 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 12:38:25 PM
Wow no union in a communist country? The labor union is the epitome of Communism |
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 simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
396 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 12:37:59 PM
HolyGod: "So dumb. Well it goes to R&D and design with a huge portion going to the most valuable company in the history of the world."
I agree with most of what you've said, but AAPL is not the most valuable company in the history of the world. It's not even the most valuable publicly traded company in the history of the world. That title (likely) goes to MSFT, which reached a market cap of nearly $850 billion in today's dollars. Maybe AAPL will reach that valuation, but it hasn't yet. |
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 Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
3534 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 12:27:16 PM
Mmm - shareholders. |
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 TheShgn2
Male, 13-17, Southern US
631 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 12:18:54 PM
I don't know why people get so upset about this kind of thing. The same thing happened in America and Europe a century ago, but people got tired of it and forced the companies/government to make working conditions better. Eventually the Chinese and Indians will do the same. |
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 Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
966 Posts
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Monday, May 28, 2012 11:34:25 AM
Well, these are factory- workers doing repetitive labor, like factory- workers all over the world do, while thinking of home and that they are tired.
As in any media report, the press is only shown the "sunny" sides, so we can be sure that all Apple- products in China are not assembled under these conditions.
However, ask any Greek, Spanish, American or Italian jobless family man if he could choose - any job is better than no job. That's indisputable. |
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