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 Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:07:49 PM
Angillion: 1 Corinthians 11 has nothing to do with long hair on men.
Try verse 14.
It's about 'covering' ones head during prayer
That's a bit earlier in the chapter. Here's a modern English translation:
Now I want you to know that Christ is the head over all men, and a man is the head over a woman. But God is the head over Christ. This means that any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head brings shame to his head.
Well, that makes it clear what a woman's place is in Christianity under the much more enlightened new covenant. Good job Jesus got rid of all the nasty stuff. A brilliant display of logic in there too, explaining why you shouldn't cover your head while praying.
I encourage people to read the Christian bible. I encourage people to read all religious texts, especially the old ones.
It's a good way to promote atheism. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14459 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 6:35:46 PM
Angillion: 1 Corinthians 11 has nothing to do with long hair on men. It's about 'covering' ones head during prayer in reference to what the Corinthians were doing at the time. The Corinthians were slipping back into heathen ways and he was warning them against that practice. |
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 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
5420 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 3:54:24 PM
@OutWest
Because the sooner we beat out the plague upon the Earth the better. Beat it down and let humans thrive. |
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 OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
548 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:32:28 PM
lol... another anti-religion topic. Hmm... go figure around here. |
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 AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
529 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:51:58 PM
Aaaahhh!!! Now I get to chop off your heads, blow up your buildings, kill men, women and children indescriminantly, strap bombs to my own children to destroy your... oh, wait, you said Bible? I thought for a second you said "Koran". Nevermind, carry on... |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:05:21 PM
In case anyone cares and thinks that CrakrJak has a point, the chapter in question is 1 Corinthians 11.
Verse 14 is the one about long hair on men being para physin. See if you can find the references to drag queens deceiving other men that CrakrJak sees there.
Check out all of 1 Corinthians 11 and see what the new covenant Crakrjak is advocating so highly says about the natural position of men and women in society. It's...special.
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 Victory7
Male, 18-29, Western US
362 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:00:16 PM
Judgmental a$$holes exist with and without the impact of a religion on their lives, as various IAB comment sections have clearly demonstrated. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:58:46 PM
Angilion: Sampson had long hair so your 'para physin' remark is bullsh|t.
It's from your bible. Are you now arguing that your bible is bullpoo? That's unexpected.
What Paul was talking about was feminine men, men wanting to look like women to deceive other men, in other words drag queens.
Thank you for providing such an excellent example of a point I made earlier:
It's clear that condemnation of homosexuality came first and the bible was translated/interpreted to fit that pre-existing condemnation, usually with a great deal of stretching to make a very dubious match to the desired meaning.
That's what you're doing right now. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 10:49:40 AM
Angilion: Sampson had long hair so your 'para physin' remark is bullsh|t. What Paul was talking about was feminine men, men wanting to look like women to deceive other men, in other words drag queens. |
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 TKD_Master
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
4827 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 5:27:24 AM
BOOM because christianity is fuc*ing stupid. |
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 Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
1115 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 4:43:43 AM
I just had eggs and bacon for breakfast.... Classic. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6686 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 3:14:38 AM
"call people 'Brainwashed', 'Naive', 'Stupid' and 'Ignorant' for their beliefs," About sums it up. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:39:28 AM
Also, if anyone here cares and thinks that CrakrJak has a point, I urge you to read Romans 1 and 2 together, as they're obviously meant to be. Romans 2 isn't seperate from Romans 1. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:36:59 AM
Angilion: There is no 'stretch' in the translation from Greek to English in Romans 1.
There are stretches in the various translations and stretches to the preconceived meaning by ignoring the context. Romans 1 is about heterosexual apostate ex-Christians who returned to the traditional religion in a specific way. Obviously, that makes it completely irrelevant to homosexuality in general.
Do you really want to be arguing that it's against nature for men to have long hair? If you really think that's true, how do you explain why men's hair naturally grows much longer than the very short Roman style Paul was advocating?
You do know that long hair on men is described as being para physin in your bible, right? So when you argue that para physin literally means 'against nature', you are arguing that it's against nature for a man's hair to grow longer than very short. I'd like to see you try to support that argument. |
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 tehbionic
Female, 18-29, Western US
314 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:40:03 PM
I wish I was cool enough to argue with people in picture comments on the internet :( |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14459 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:29:36 PM
HG: I don't care about what you may or may not worship. I don't call people 'Brainwashed', 'Naive', 'Stupid' and 'Ignorant' for their beliefs, only their words and actions.
Your words and actions here have demonstrated just how callous and shameful you really are.
Angilion: There is no 'stretch' in the translation from Greek to English in Romans 1.
"...females did change the natural use into that against nature; and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame..." is the literal translation
Romans 1 says don't do these 'unclean' list of things
Romans 2 says not to hate other sinners, to not pass judgement on them.
It's not a 'trap', it's what Christ said in Matthew 7. |
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 Penguinato23
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
295 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 9:33:31 PM
Oh poo, it's a post about religion. Head for the bunkers. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:32:46 PM
By the way, long hair on a man is "condemned" by Paul in 1 Corinthians in the same way as "homosexuality" is "condemned" by Paul in Romans - as being para physin. Actually, he condemns long hair on men much more clearly, but the point I'm making is that para physin doesn't mean what it's often interpreted into meaning in translations/interpretations of Romans 1:26-28.
It's clear that condemnation of homosexuality came first and the bible was translated/interpreted to fit that pre-existing condemnation, usually with a great deal of stretching to make a very dubious match to the desired meaning. In two key verses (in Corinthians and Timothy), it's just plain made up.
Then there's the context of the whole of Romans 1 (which Paul apparently wrote as a trap for self-righteous Christians) - Romans 2. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:07:22 PM
But just to be on the safe side, heterosexual Christians shouldn't take part in orgies as part of fertility rituals for the ancient Roman religion, make idols of other deities and worship them. As long as they avoid doing that, Romans 1:1-28 won't apply to them.
See what I mean about context? It matters.
Besides, Romans 1 was written by Paul, a writer so notoriously difficult to interpret correctly that even your own bible warns you about it. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3058 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:59:12 PM
CrakrJak
If I worshipped the invisible purple tiger that lives in my attic you would probably say I was naive, stupid, or ignorant. You just don't believe those things about yourself because it is what you believe. You are convinced of its reality just like the Egyptians, Greeks, Scandinavians, and thousands of other cultures were convinced of their belief structure's authenticity.
What exactly do I seem clueless about? I don't believe any of it. That's doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable about it. I'm presuming you were raised Christian and have never really learned or experienced any other religion. You took what was handed to you and decided that it must be the one that is true. Everyone else in the world must be wrong. That is cluelessness. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:58:10 PM
Angillion: It does, Romans 1:26-28 makes it rather clear.
The version you use probably does, but the original verses in context don't.
I admit that I can't read the relevant dialect of ancient Greek (I studied Latin instead of Greek), but I've read a number of analyses from people who can. They didn't agree on what it meant, but that reinforces the point that it's not as clear as you claim.
Quick quiz:
What is the context of those verses?
What does para physin really mean?
If you don't know the answers to those questions off the top of your head, you've no business being sure you know what the verses mean (and those answers are only the very barest beginnings of finding out). |
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Serikos
Male, 18-29, Canada
2 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:28:08 PM
Ambrose Bierce, proud or horrified? How bout it, IAB. |
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 unicornsss
Female, 13-17, Western US
8 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:24:32 PM
Lol<3 |
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 Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
23998 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:12:56 PM
lol religion on IAB |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14459 Posts
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Saturday, May 26, 2012 6:36:58 PM
HG: Your idiotic condescension is evident by describing Christians as 'Brainwashed', 'Naive', 'Stupid' and 'Ignorant'.
Sorry, I don't believe a damn word you say about your supposed religious education because you seem utterly clueless. Your intent here was clear the minute you chose that nickname.
Angillion: It does, Romans 1:26-28 makes it rather clear. |
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