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Liberty (Re) Defined - You Should Watch This

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Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12724 Posts
Friday, May 25, 2012 8:47:08 AM
The pledge of allegiance is null and void if you are below the age of majority. You are free.

Burton_Ian
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 809 Posts
Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:05:00 PM
Ignorant conception of negative freedom. This is all well and good if every man living on an island by himself, but alas....

This is not the case.

WizardofCOR
Male, 40-49, Western US
 156 Posts
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:36:42 PM
Well stated, Verbosity.

verbosity
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 83 Posts
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:15:38 AM
Wow, that is a nice piece of anarchist propaganda they got going there - good enough to fool the young and naive.

Taxes maintain vital infrastructure: education, roadways, sanitation, potable water, regulatory agencies that keep food safe, and so forth. I disagree with how a lot of our taxes and fees are spent (I think we focus too much on military, and our infrastructure is too focused on private vehicle use), but that does not mean I am blind to all the good our government does.

One interesting aspect to this type of rhetoric is how they are opponents of regulation - until someone transgresses against them. Fake medicine leads to the death of a child? Someone comes into your garden and takes all the food you've been growing? Someone assaults you? Your car suddenly randomly accelerates? A company starts logging every little detail about you online? Then they ask "why didn't the government do anything?" - they should answer "because you said to n

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:45:20 AM
The pledge of allegiance was originally a socialist creation, not unlike the pledge Germans made to Adolf Hitler. But it backfired on them, instead of 'brainwashing' people into blind allegiance to our government it turned into patriotism and pride for our flag.

The pledge is to our flag and to our republic, not it's leaders.

bassman56
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 179 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:24:28 PM
Hey, what a surprise - more USA bashing. Gosh, I wish our terrible country could be as politically and financially stable as all of Europe. You know, like Greece. Or Spain. Or Ireland. No, wait, maybe France or Italy. I can't say for sure, because I've never lived there.

Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
 966 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:33:50 PM
Haha The pledge is the worst in the US though. Total brainwash. If the gov. tried to pull this on Norwegian kids, the opposition in the Parliament would run wild. Since we have a Parliament. And and opposition :-p

Linkenberger
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1166 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:14:25 PM
I remember the time I refused to sing the anthem in class and I got sent to the principal. Mind you that entire school was really, REALLY against free thinking. I plan to send them imported pop (soda) spiked with ipecac for their Christmas party.

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:57:25 PM
8bit, you rarely miss a chance to get your licks in as well, The pledge of allegiance is not mandatory by federal law, that is a states decision, which is exactly how it should be but unfortunately not applied to all laws, and not all states have made it mandatory. Very few Americans I know think the current system is working and most believe that a drastic change is imminent, it's just the catalyst that is debated. Personally, I hope for peaceful reform, but I am prepared for anything. Like a bone that wasn't set correctly when it healed, this country is going to have to be re-broken before it can mend properly. But it most certainly will not have to be killed to be reborn. When States rights supersede the federal government, and people can move to where the laws suit them, and not be forced to accept any one national majorities ideals, then this machine will run a lot smoother.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:23:58 PM
@yusuksomuch
But MacGuffin is an outsider, while I don't agree with what she says sometimes, this time I agree with a lot of what she said (not all).

Again, I don't judge an entire nation on what the government do, but those who put them in place are to blame. So it's the same thing really.
I mean, your country has everything wrong with itself that's pointed out in this video. The pledge thing...it is brainwashing.

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:03:26 PM
"one day your children end up suffering the same fate as you under their own corrupt regime?"

I own my own home and have ample time to spend with my family. I have cars in the driveway and motorcycles in the garage. I can travel to any state in the union anytime I want. My children have more advantages than I had when I was a kid, and they are happy and well adjusted. Just because you hope Americans are "suffering" doesn't make it a reality. I don't come from privilege, I come from a family that believes in hard work, and that is the belief that got me where I am today. Can you say those things about yourself? I seriously doubt it, no one can be that angry and be content, focus your energy on making your own life better and you might be able to see America for what it really is and not just a target for your own frustration.

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:40:49 PM
MacGuffin, that is the same reaction I get from just about everything you have ever posted here.Only I HAVE to, you have such a deep hatred for all things American, if I didn't look at you with comic filters, I would feel a deep sadness for you, because anyone with that much hate for any group of people must have serious emotional problems and a unsatisfied, empty life. You spew your hatred with the self satisfied energy of a kindergarten bully. Except, the kindergarten bully usually grows out of it, you seem to be stuck in first gear. Things are going to come to a head here, and I'm sure you will sit back and hope for total decimation, but when we come out of it even stronger than before, I wonder if you will redirect your hatred somewhere else or just simply implode from disappointment. Either way, I will miss your entertainment value.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:29:37 PM
@MacGuffin:

A "person" is smart, but "people" are stupid


That's certainly true. People behave stupidly in groups. There have been a few voices recently stating how it's every citizen's *duty* to vote, that you can't complain about the outcome if you didn't take part in the process, yada, yada. It seems to me that you can't complain anyway, even if you *do* take part in the process. A million people marched against the Iraq war in Britain. A million people. And still we went to war. The only difference your participation in the process of electing corrupt, self-serving governments of all political flavours does is that it adds legitimacy to people who should have none. In the most recent local elections in the UK, only 32% of people turned out. There were candidates with less than 16% popular support that won. Do you think they're going to be able to say "but you took part!" when it comes to assigning the blame for their actions?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10184 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:08:19 PM
@MacGuffin:

A "person" is smart, but "people" are stupid.

Obama and pretty much all the other pieces of poo in Washington just had the prettiest campaigns.

TV is a huge influence. The "American Idol" analogy to the electing of leaders is pretty apropos in this case.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:08:13 PM

The pledge at the end was stupid.
The rest was okay.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10184 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:06:17 PM
The main difference was, their "Nations" were the people, since they did not believe in land ownership. The truest form of Liberty, but they still had leaders.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:04:03 PM
lol, the US government is the biggest anti-American entity that has ever existed. And eventually it will fall, but America will not. I am not proud of our government. I am, however proud, of my family, friends, neighbors, soldiers and all of the hard working, productive citizens that this country is made up of. The lemmings only see the bad, while I can see that the good people in this country, far outnumber the bad people here. Yes I am a proud American.


This really made me laugh out loud. Who do you think elected that "anti-American" government that you're so unproud of? And who do you think goes and fights their illegal wars for them and protects them from public outrage? And whose flag-waving, jingoistic selective blindness do you think will keep allowing successive governments to preside over an entirely corrupt system until one day your children end up suffering the same fate as you under their own corrupt regime?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10184 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:03:58 PM
The American Indians had "Nations" with "Leaders" and they did not intermingle with people from other "Nations" without permission, lest a "War" be started.

There was not anarchy on the North American continent before the Europeans got here. It was much the same, without technology.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3137 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:48:32 PM
@patchgrabber
"hierarchical structure"
yes, a few did but most did not

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:44:09 PM
anarchy worked well fo 10,000 years in the land know as North Amarica

It was hardly anarchy, First Nations people had a distinct hierarchical structure and cultural paradigms that kept people in line. Although us immigrants did kind of mess things up. But at least we brought blankets!!

If anyone can have one it just seems like a cash grab.

I would like to think that those fees go towards maintaining and protecting those environments. Conservation officer salaries, environmental scientist salaries, forest firefighter materials and salaries, etc.

antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:38:07 PM
@patchgrabber I agree, legislating the catch size is important, however why do we need to pay for a license? If anyone can have one it just seems like a cash grab.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3137 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:34:58 PM
@patchgrabber
anarchy worked well fo 10,000 years in the land know as North Amarica
then all illegal immigrants came from eurasia an strated drating things up

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3137 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:30:09 PM
so true
drat amarica!

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:29:59 PM
If you take his literal definition of liberty, then you'd have to also define what makes a government despotic, because it doesn't say that liberty is taken away by any government, just a despotic one.

There is also the problem of regulation. The reason there are fishing licenses and regulations is because if everyone could fish whenever they wanted with no restrictions, people would decimate the animal populations to a point that they can't recover from. There are just too many people and if they all can just do what they want when they want, it sounds more like anarchy than liberty to me.

yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1002 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:20:47 PM
lol, the US government is the biggest anti-American entity that has ever existed. And eventually it will fall, but America will not. I am not proud of our government. I am, however proud, of my family, friends, neighbors, soldiers and all of the hard working, productive citizens that this country is made up of. The lemmings only see the bad, while I can see that the good people in this country, far outnumber the bad people here. Yes I am a proud American.

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