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Response To The Climate Denier Unabomber Billboard

Hits: 6405 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: Science | Added by: Squrlz4Sale
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Simcoe
Male, 30-39, Canada
 127 Posts
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:23:40 PM
Looks like CrakrJak got pwned pretty bad by Squriz4Sale.

PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:33:22 AM
I'm amazed that people still argue with Crakrjakass it's useless he's an obnoxious obtuse person, if you show him the sky and tell hem it's blue he'll find a way to prove you that because you're a liberal/socialist/progressist/different it can't be blue or you're imposing the color blue and he'll show charts and articles that join his point of vue.Let him soak in his stinking "knowledge" and drown on its own.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:36:39 AM
@Blackcatseye: Thanks for participating. But do I really need to explain that the amount of CO2 released by opening bottles of soda pop is negligible compared to the 32 gigatons (2008) of CO2 that's released every year from the burning of fossil fuels by cars, trucks, planes, factories, and power plants? Just the CO2 released by the trucks delivering the soda dwarfs the CO2 in those bottles.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:28:53 AM
@CrakrJak: I've managed to find a little more info on your Dr. Spencer, the "Official Climatologist of the Rush Limbaugh Show." He actually makes a cameo appearance in a couple of Peter Sinclair's videos as a crank.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:08:05 AM
@CrakrJak: Thanks for letting me know where you got your chart. That Dr. Spencer is an odd duck--a scientist who rejects both the theory of evolution and anthropogenic global warming.

In claiming that my NASA chart is 11 years out of date, you've committed an error. See the light gray vertical lines? Those are 10 year increments. See how the last data point is just to the right of the 2010 line? Yeah, that would be the year 2011.

The chart is an updated version of one originally published by James Hansen, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute, in 2006. A page providing links to the peer-reviewed article, a summary of the methods used to develop the chart, as well as all of the data used in the chart, can be found here.

blackcatseye
Female, 30-39, Europe
 656 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:34:40 AM
How ironic that it starts with a Coca-Cola ad. The soft drink industry probably emits as much carbon into the atmosphere as anything else.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:15:28 AM
Squrlz4Sale: The chart I posted came from Roy Spencer Phd. Climatologist's website. It doesn't have to be "peer reviewed" to be accurate. He's a well respected scientist that explains, in scientific detail, exactly what is going on with the earth's climate.

Your chart is not only eleven years out-of-date but is highly inaccurate. It doesn't even give a source(s) for it's numbers.

Also, as FP said, Thatcher finally realized that AGW was a scam and did a 180º turn on her opinion of it before she died.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12864 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 9:50:09 PM
I give "mainstream science" the same credence as I give the "mainstream media."

Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 1268 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 5:46:44 PM
IMHO it does not matter if man effects global warming or not, but you don't sh*t in your bed.

Penguinato23
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 295 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 5:24:48 PM
Well, I haven't killed anyone(at least yet, and if I did it probably wasn't intentional), I've never controlled anything more than maybe a videogame, and they've never complained, so I don't think I'm tyrannical...

So I guess that just means I must be a madman. What happens if I murder someone at some point though? Am I still eligible to be a madman, or am I only allowed to be one of the three? If I go to jail and come to tyrannically rule a gang, will I no longer be considered a murderer and be set free?

On a more serious note, even if global warming didn't exist, the fact still is that we're pumping all sorts of crap into the environment that doesn't belong there.

Global warming may be a more immediate threat, but we can't just keep releasing pollutants and expect everything to be ok indefinitely. Eventually it'll all come to a head, whether in the form of climate change or some other event.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 2:16:42 PM
The Earth will continue to change and evolve while we exist on it

You've been saying the Earth evolves, but you haven't a clue what the word 'evolve' means. I think you mean adaptation.

Fail Fail Fail.

Sums up your comments, you think she's talking about something she isn't.

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:56:38 PM
But I do have one interesting factoid to mention. A 1degree C climate shift on the equator means the seasons at the poles would be much more drastically affected and millions of gallons of glacial ice melt is caused.

VirtualParty
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 794 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:54:21 PM
This is obviously an inflammatory billboard and the people who put it up are insane. People should reach their own conclusions without a right wing billboard screaming at Americans' eyes with its' inane and ignorance driven messages.

That is the morality of it. I can't quite comment on the actual science of it because I am honestly not familiar enough to make comment on that aspect of this topic. Google is only a click away but there were many contradicting studies and I don't know who to believe. In my book, that means believe no one.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33881 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:46:03 PM

randomxnp - Yes, in fact I have read the emails Fox News claims as proof of global warming conspiracy. I didn't cherry pick one line out, I read it in full context.

But if you sleep better at night thinking Thousands of people are pulling off a hoax, then good for you. Use sunblock, but sleep well.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:37:46 PM
@Randomxnp: I'll tell you exactly what I told Leesah earlier:

Sure--isha conspiracy! And Isaac Asimov, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, Bill Gates, the U.S. Navy, the National Acedemy of Sciences, and NASA are ALL in on it.

Every one of those individuals and institutions--and there are many, many more--supports the science of AGW. But you know better, huh? =^.^=

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:31:57 PM
@CrakrJak: A quick image search shows that your chart is not peer-reviewed and that it's a favorite of highly-partisan websites such as "The Climate Scam." It's junk science.

I'd rather get my charts from NASA scientists, thank you. Here's one presenting the same information yours purports to, only this one goes back to 1880, when modern temperature measurements began.



You'll notice that over 120 years, the rise in global temperature has been nearly a deg C (1.8 deg F). And the anomalies keep growing year over year. Over a dozen different climatic models have been run on the data, and the only way to account for nearly 2 deg F of global warming in such a short period is by the addition of fossil fuel emissions into the atmosphere. In short, the data have been confirming the theory of AGW.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1162 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:27:55 PM
Gerry1of1

You still haven't read the emails have you? You still don't actually know the difference between the opinions of sceptics and that of True Believers, do you? You are still, in fact, arguing from a position of complete ignorance aren't you?

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1162 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:24:55 PM
Squrlz4Sale

So what? Thatcher was out of office before the evidence was available that CAGW was nonsense was found. That evidence is now out, so why do you still believe? Because socialist powermongers have told you to believe. You have no knowledge, no degree in Earth or hard environmental sciences.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1162 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 1:22:55 PM
"According to the Heartland Institute, only "murderers, tyrants, and madmen" accept global warming science."

WhT truly idiotic thing to say. What Heartland said was that a multiple murderer has this as part of his philosophy. Exactly the same as the climate hysterics claims that some sceptics happen to be murderous lunatics - in fact more than one Church of Global Warming website took down previous articles just so they could hide their hypocrisy in criticising Heartland

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 12:56:10 PM
@CrakrJak:

...and here comes CrakrJak, right on time, discharging his usual shotgun blasts of falsehoods.

Despite your assertion, Margaret Thatcher was, indeed, speaking about global warming in this video's clips, NOT the ozone layer. The clips come from her "Speech to United Nations General Assembly" on Nov. 8, 1989. If you'd like to read the text of her entire speech--in which she describes at length the dangers of man's release of CO2 into the atmosphere--it's located on the Margaret Thatcher website here.

I won't hold my breath waiting for an admission of error on your part.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM
Crakrjak: Incorrect. The Thatcher footage, or at least the parts I cross-referenced, are from Thatcher's address to the U.N. General Assembly about manmade climate change due to CO2 emissions as well as the ozone layer. Here is the text:

Thatcher - Global Warming

Now, I'm not sure either side of the debate should really use Margaret Thatcher, since she also wrote critical things about global warming science shortly before she died.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 12:37:36 PM
And again, A .2ºC average anomaly does not confirm global warming.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16683 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 12:29:32 PM
Thatcher was speaking about the Ozone layer, NOT 'global warming'. Fail Fail Fail.

The 'Ozone Hole' was blown out of proportion and most scientists recognize that now. Our earth's ozone layer repairs itself in the upper atmosphere.

Yet people are still confused about it even today. Ground level ozone is called smog, it's very bad for human health. But it does eventually drift into the upper atmosphere over time. Mankind never produced enough aerosols to hurt our ozone layer because we were producing ozone in much larger quantities and still are.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33881 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 12:08:27 PM

5Cats - "Hubris" means pride or arrogance. But you are probably right. The worlds scientists got together at some secret convention and concocted a global-sized scheeme to fool people, then they got politicians to work with them to pull it off.

Look up "gullible"

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Monday, May 21, 2012 11:04:14 AM
@Leesah: I'd be happy to have a serious discussion of this issue with you, but only if you promise to debate honestly. By "honestly," I mean that you'll admit mistakes when you've made them, avoid using straw man arguments, and avoid ad hominem attacks. Naturally, I'll agree to do the same.

The conversation is likely to go for an hour (which is all the time either of us, I'm sure, cares to spend on this).

Deal?

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