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TED Refuses To Post One Of Their Presentations

Hits: 6588 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Crabes
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madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Friday, May 18, 2012 7:36:06 AM
Take the money from the mean rich people. They aren't doing anything with it anyway, right?
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Nobody's calling them mean and we're only talking about 3% increase in taxes to bring us back to Clinton era economics. The problem I have with the uber-wealthy is their willingness to spend millions in lobbying so they can pay less in taxes. Our government doesn't run the show anymore it's the wealthy.
If a guy robs someone of money they go to jail. If a wealthy venture capitalist robs people of their retirement they walk. The system is skewed towards the rich and sevices to help the poor are cut. The system is not working and this is not "capitalism".

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Friday, May 18, 2012 7:23:07 AM
Expendable money. Right. So it means nothing.

Look, let's just cut through all your word vomit, and get down to what you want:

Public Works Projects Galore

Take the money from the mean rich people. They aren't doing anything with it anyway, right?


In that useless fit of sarcasm you don't even respond to any of altaru's points, save one that you dismiss and then put words in his mouth. You sir, have no idea what you're talking about.

Burton_Ian
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 809 Posts
Friday, May 18, 2012 7:09:12 AM
And now I see that Madest answered that for me ha

Burton_Ian
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 809 Posts
Friday, May 18, 2012 7:07:59 AM
Here is the transcript and the slides that he used in his speech, it's pretty easy to follow along with.

I will say that it is pretty common sense. It isn't like he said anything groundbreaking, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't have posted it.

Text
Slides

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Friday, May 18, 2012 6:09:44 AM
TED responds.

Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 985 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:55:05 PM
just typing for the fun of it..not to be taken as a serious, informed opinion lol

Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 985 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:54:30 PM
History needs to repeat itself and when the powers that be begin to abuse said powers we lop off their heads...however global economics, technology, enforcement and modern communication make it virtually impossible now. IMO (and only IMO) humans need something to strive for to exist happily, if its not money its power, if its not power its respect, if its not respect its pride, if theres no pride theres riots in the street. Only things that keep it in checkis hope and a belief that attaining something better is possible. I think the trickle down system can work but those with the buyingpower need incentive to spend and not hoard, invest and not secure to create jobs for everybody...sadly 'sometimes' it gets mis-interpreted as the rich getting a free ride. Outside that capping wealth or an ever expanding blendof different economiesis the only real answer which simply wont happen.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14431 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:56:05 PM
So, TED actually does have SOME standards.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:16:21 PM
Enjoy your indoctination.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1401 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:53:33 PM
Expendable money. Right. So it means nothing.

Look, let's just cut through all your word vomit, and get down to what you want:

Public Works Projects Galore

Take the money from the mean rich people. They aren't doing anything with it anyway, right?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08:55 PM
And if the history you're implying is Soviet Russia, then you obviously don't know jack sh*t about what actually went wrong there, and that's a history lesson way too long for me.to type from my phone.

Suffice to say, increased government power, especially in the hands of one power hungry man, is not a solution because it effectively becomes the equivalent of a capitalist monopoly.

But letting the 1% do whatever they want to make more money while dancing on the broken backs of the lower classes does not a healthy economy make.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:35:40 PM
And you REALLY want history?

Ford made a FORTUNE by paying his workers well enouh that they coyld afford to be his consumers.

The leaders at Apple, on the other hand, make a fortune by paying Chinese workers pennies to make a device that they then charge hundreds or even thousands for.

Which one sounds like a more self-sustaining, economically friendly policy to you?

Face it, "trickle down" economics don't work.

You don't build sky-scrapers from the atmosphere down, and you don't tear apart the support beams for materials to build the upper floors.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:30:38 PM
I don't know how you missed that it's the rich guy's money that's at risk. You're wrong right off the starting blocks.

The rich guy has expendable money to invest in the first place, unlike the lower class, and if people like Donald Trump are anything to go by, will find ways to insulate themselves while the company they were involved in goes bankrupt.

What's actually at risk is the income and livelyhoods of the people that are employed by these capitalist ventures. The jobs created by that capital don't hold up if here isn't demand, which means the people employed in that venture are all sol and jwf.

Meanwhile, the rich guy loses one million here while his other options (which he has, unlike the lower classes) rake in two or three.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:19:59 PM
I will point you to history as an example of what happens when you decide that it's your business what you LET people keep.

Oh, you mean like the fifties and sixties when the tax rates were in the 70% range and the American economy was booming?

Or like the nineties, when the tax rates were lower than they were now and we experienced a boom that burst conviniently around the same time the tax rates dropped?

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1401 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:02:57 PM
"In other words, capitalism is the system of the rich money making more money by manipulating money to let the lower classes take the risks and accept the damage."

I don't know how you missed that it's the rich guy's money that's at risk. You're wrong right off the starting blocks.

"If the consumers don't have money, the 1% won't invest Capital into businesses that won't sell products because there's no demand for the product."

And the way the consumers are going to get money is by taking it from the rich people, filtering it through the inefficient and incompetent government machine, then giving it to them?

I will point you to history as an example of what happens when you decide that it's your business what you LET people keep.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:26:57 PM
Rich people have CAPITAL. That's money to invest/lend to OTHER people. THOSE people use it to start businesses, or expand their current businesses, or develop real estate, or, or, or, etc ad infinitum.


Also (now that I'm back at my computer) that point is STILL covered.

If the consumers don't have money, the 1% won't invest Capital into businesses that won't sell products because there's no demand for the product.

So the point still stands: If the CONSUMERS don't have money, all that capital is just going to sit in the bank, because the consumers aren't going to buy new products, so there's no point investing.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:08:20 PM
Holy crap that was riddled with typos. I hate posting from my phone...

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:52:47 PM
Rich people have CAPITAL.

In other words, capitalism is the system of the rich money making more money by manipulating money to let the lower classes take the risks and accept the damage.

So... Capitalism is the insulation for the rich to keep themselves from being affacted by economic problems while the rest toil under their boot in the hopes that "working harder" will convince someone up top to uplift us.

Also... If you think that's how capitalism has worked in America, you haven't been paying a damn bit of attention to our economy for the past sixty years, which is sad consider you've apparently lived through fourty of them. Letting them keep more "capital" hasn't helped our economy in the least, in case you haven't been watching the tax rates compared to the growth rates.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1401 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:24:34 PM
Sweet jesus, some of you people...

Rich people have CAPITAL. That's money to invest/lend to OTHER people. THOSE people use it to start businesses, or expand their current businesses, or develop real estate, or, or, or, etc ad infinitum.

If you think that rich people dump their money into a swimming pool and dive into it like Scrooge McDuck, then you are a retard.

If you think that when people say "the 1% creates jobs" that it means they PERSONALLY start all the businesses, or hire people, or buy all the stuff...you are a retard.

READ A BOOK ON HOW CAPITALISM WORKS: Start here

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4610 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:18:21 AM
HolyGod

You got it right in the second para. The super rich create a micro-economy of pampering. I need a few more maids, a half-dozen crew members for my larger yacht and a spare butler.

Losing 3,000 jobs in Detroit or Middlesbrough will pay or that. 'Trickle down' doesn't work, except when you feel it trickling down where you have been pissed on.

GlockPants
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 164 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:49:45 AM
The guy should just do his speech on webcam and post to YouTube. It's not like TED owns his idea. I'd like to hear more about his thoughts on the matter.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:46:39 AM
OK. I'm super liberal. But how do the 1%ers not create jobs? Of course they do. Even if they aren't the people who are actually running a business to create jobs, their very existence creates jobs. The cars they buy, the houses they buy, the trips they take, the boats they buy, are all built by people and require people to run them and manage them, their personal assistants, chauffeurs, maids, chefs, butlers, gardeners, etc.

The super rich are a little economy unto themselves with the amount of people they employ directly and indirectly.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:40:10 AM
"i thought ted was cool, to bad its just stomping all over the first ammendment"

The first amendment ONLY applies to the U.S. gov't censoring speech. Private entities can censor all they want, though I don't agree with TED's choice.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4610 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:34:21 AM
An entrepeneur who creates a new business or a new product can be said to be a 'job-creator' or whatever. These are a tiny minority of the 1% and tend to be the ones who are quite willing to pay a fair tax rate.

Bankers and senior corporate people who have climbed the greasy pole are as likely to destroy jobs as create them if that will increase their bonuses. But government kow-tows to them because they are so 'talented'.

A mate of mine started his own landscaping/tree-surgery business right after leaving school. Thirty years later he had about 30 people on the pay-roll, highly trained and qualified. He never paid himself more than about £50k a year. Now he's down to about 20 staff and has taken a 20% pay cut because corporate clients are either using unskilled, cheaper cowboys or delaying payment for so long that he has to pay lawyers to get paid. As far as government is concerned he can drat off, because he can't pay £250k a year for politic

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:28:07 AM
This gives TED's credibility a black eye.

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