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 greekhop
Male, 30-39, Europe
 94 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:53:40 PM
@Zieveraar
You have no idea. Such things are not 'simple' except to the mind of a child perhaps. Anyways, many want to leave, including me, and the recent elections are a step in the right direction with 80% of the voters rejecting the pro-europe parties. But with our undemocratic election laws (yes, its complicated, would you believe) its nearly impossible to elect a goverment of the peoples will. And yeah, we where doing fine before the Euro. In fact, if you discount the debt payments, Greece runs a pretty balanced budget. Plus we have a pooload of competitive industries, not just tourism and shipping (Greece is no.1 worldwide in shipping BTW). Disaster stories about leaving the euro are just scare tacticts, as if a country cant function on its own currecny. We did so very adequately until not so long ago. Truth is, Germans dont want us to leave. We are their captive market, marked to be forever in debt, forever in submission. The euro is designed to create this exact situation. |
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 DShephard
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1586 Posts
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Sunday, May 13, 2012 4:49:05 PM
His posture makes me think of "23 skidoo"
No idea why. |
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comp_wizard
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
190 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:17:11 PM
@kingdomcome: Exports aren't the problem with ditching the Euro (which would probably involve leaving the EU entirely). Having a worthless inflationary currency makes export trade easier. Perhaps the EU might try to impose punitive tariffs if Greece renounces all of their existing Euro-denominated debt, but I wouldn't worry too much about it.
The problem for Greece under the withdrawal scenario would be that without a stable currency, it's nearly impossible to IMPORT needed goods, as your citizens don't have anything to pay for them with that foreigners would accept. In the modern economy, life without imported goods is impossible. Thus, even if they pulled out of the Euro, Greece would have to take some pretty strong measures to keep inflation under control--exactly what the anti-bailout crowd is refusing to do. |
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 Zieveraar
Male, 30-39, Europe
347 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:54:58 PM
@greekhop: then leave. It's as simple as that. If you won't cut back, actually do something about the insane tax problems (how many billions are lost every year due to people dodging taxes?), then leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
And yes, other European countries are going to have to do the same. It's the end of the line, time to do something before it all falls apart.
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 whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2245 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:12:08 PM
Yeah, it's an old picture, but I think it's one of the greatest pictures I've ever seen, always makes me laugh. This one too...
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 kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
319 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:39:00 AM
To those saying Greece has the natural resources to flourish, you are discounting the debt the country is in. I'm afraid it's a catch 22, stay in the EU with the debts you have accumulated but remain able to trade freely with the rest of the EU, or leave, don't pay the debts and find it difficult to export to the EU.
Either side of the argument will obviously shout about the benefit of their position without mentioning the negative impact. |
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uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
790 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:14:19 AM
I know the protesting is still going on but isn't this an old picture? |
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greekhop
Male, 30-39, Europe
94 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:01:34 AM
What a bunch of clueless people on this site. Aside from the greek dude and the greek american, no one seems to have a clue what this is about. Here it is in simple terms: Our two main political parties have been bought by unamed puppetmasters and are implementing their program to enslave and confiscate everything in sight. Sound familiar, Americans? So, the people are trying to resit. As any one of you would do. The fact the the cirtizens of Greece have been stupid malakes doesnt give anyone the right to enslave us. All countries citizens are similarily stupid malakes, what of it? Thats the human condition. Even dratheads have human rights. Just like you people on this site. You are retards, but you have rights and will be unhappy if your rights are removed. This is not a left wing vs. right wing situation. The Marxist-lenninists, the anarchits, the neo-Nazis, and the moderates all agree for once that our European allies are trying to enslave us, and we aint having it. |
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 trickroom
Male, 18-29, Canada
277 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:57:10 AM
wow, no "this is sparta" comments!?!?! |
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 lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
788 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:00:16 AM
Glad I visited Greece four years ago. I will say, though, that I've never experienced more hot-headed men than in Greece. I saw a guy having a Mel Gibson-esque rage fest all by himself in a store. The pilot of my plane back to Rome decided to go on strike just before we boarded and we had to stand around for an hour until his hissy fit was over and he was willing to fly again. They are a mess. |
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 Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
1552 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:42:16 AM
Mofos need to get with the program and realize that staying in their own little bubble in the world is suicide. |
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 bluevayero
Male, 18-29, Europe
191 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:51:31 AM
@monsterzero thank you very much, but luck is not going to help. you need to actually do something :) |
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 TheOrigin
Male, 18-29, Europe
335 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:59:14 AM
We should join in on the fun. The EU is proving nothing more than a bureaucratic abomination surpassing the soviet union, sprinkled with fascist hierarchy. Veering slowly towards dictatorship, this institution is rotten with corruption - as if our own corrupt politicians were not enough.
@Mad Gremlin: Yes, we do.
1. back in those days, soviets made sure every citizen had one in case of emergency.
2. army surplus sales, regular in these parts.
3. civilian gas masks are freely purchasable for commercial and personal use, although the prices might be a little bit steep. |
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 monsterzero
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
292 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:31:06 AM
@Bluevayero:
I understand perfectly what's going on.
If my Papou were alive he would definitely call you a bunch of malakas for joining the EU in the first place.
I do wish the best for you though.You have a long, hard fight ahead of you.
Kali Tihi my friend, and don't stop until Hellas is out of the clutches of the union. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6308 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:46:18 AM
Greek protestors should shut up and take their medicine. |
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bluevayero
Male, 18-29, Europe
191 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:12:26 AM
"malakas" really?
you dont understand a bit of what is going on in Hellas at the moment. we have the natural resourses to get out of the financial crisis, but our politics, along with those from france and germany, refuse to let this happen. Hellas is at the best spot in the mediterranian and one of the best holiday spots worldwide.what they are doing so far is undermining our economic status as part of an experiment with the final target of cheap working force and cheap vacations (it is a bigger industry than you can imagine).
but since we dont leave in other stupid countries, where they say "oh al qaeda is in iraq, lets start war" or "look at a bad man hurting children, lets start another war" and everyone is like "oh yeah cool m*********rs we'r' gonna bomb you a****s off"
we protest for our future.
thanks |
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 AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
480 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:08:35 AM
Just let the lot of them collapse in on themselves a la Atlas Shrugged. I don't know why Germany doesn't get the hell out of the Euro right now. |
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monsterzero
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
292 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 11:06:05 PM
What a bunch of malakas. |
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PhantomGh0st
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
260 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 9:12:33 PM
Stocked up on gas masks, HazMat suits, kevlar, AKs, ammo just in case. |
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DShephard
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1586 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 8:25:08 PM
If riots start for any reason I've been preparing.
Gas masks, Kevlar padding, loads of ammunition.
Yeah, so I'm safe.
And probably too paranoid. |
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 thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3200 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 8:22:05 PM
They're going to protest themselves a pile of money! Brilliant! |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8727 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 8:20:37 PM
That gas mask wouldn't stop a load of buckshot, which is what he deserves. |
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 avail9988
Male, 18-29, Australia
621 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 7:28:28 PM
I personally have 20 gas masks for me and my friends should a situation like arise |
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 PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1149 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 7:26:12 PM
Well they aren't trying very hard if it is. Wearing a gas mask wouldn't make it insta-steampunk-esque
He was kidding Captain Killjoy. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16939 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 7:21:01 PM
Syria Still Protesting Too
10,000 dead, Obama don't care, Europe neither, because they have no oil! |
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