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Moon Landing Footage Shows Suspension Wires

Hits: 9380 | Rating: (1.6) | Category: Weird | Added by: Gerry1of1
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ghostkev
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 68 Posts
Monday, May 14, 2012 10:34:19 PM
we went to the damned moon, mythbusters even busted the naysayers..get over it

furrything
Male, 50-59, Europe
 753 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 11:53:26 PM
It's amazing how that thing landed on a rocket motor, and never dislodged one piece of dust. Incredible! Yep: they went to the moon. Just as guys in a cave orchestrated 9/11. This was the beginning of the 'Oh my god! They actually BOUGHT it!' times. Yep, if we can get away with this, the sky's the limit. Look up Operation Northwoods, if you're interested about planes and buildings. Let's just say that they had the 'technology' in the early 60's, to do.....things.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 6:32:36 PM
I was about to link to the photon return counts from an observatory using the reflector arrays left by Apollo missions, which very clearly show the very large difference between the reflector arrays and the lunar surface (they use a very powerful, very narrowly focussed laser, so they can detect reflections off the natural lunar surface).


Then I realised that anyone who believes that every piece of evidence must be fake would, obviously, believe that evidence is fake too.

"Every piece of evidence is fake if it supports something I don't believe in" is a non-falsifiable position.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 6:22:09 PM
Oh, and I'm still waiting for any of the faithful to answer my simple question:

Why?

Why do you think the USA went to the major expense and enormous political risk of faking something when they could have done it for real, cheaper and with far less risk?

Hell, I'm even giving you a free pass on the assumption that they *could* have faked it. I'm not convinced that it would have been possible for them to fake it even if they wanted to.

Also, do you believe that all the manned moon missions were fake or just the first one? Did you even know that there were others? Sounds like a dumb question, but many believers are so utterly ignorant that they think there was only one manned moon landing (that they think was faked anyway).

The belief that Elvis faked his death and is working with the aliens in Area 51 (having had alien medical treatment to greatly extend is life) is less silly, because at least it isn't possible to prove that false.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 6:16:14 PM
Angillion, they fire 10 to the power of 17 (100 million billion) photons at that 'mirror'. Only a handful come back suggesting that the mirror is dusty and only has an albedo of .8 as of 2012. The moon has an albedo of .8 - .12 depending on it's phase.

Imagine that...



Even if your quoted figures are true (and I'm not accepting them as such, given how much disinformation is spread about the subject), they would still actually be evidence of the existence of the reflector array. It's not only about what %age of light is reflected. It's also, very importantly, about the direction it's reflected in. With such distances, poor reflectivity and the Earth's atmosphere twice, you will *not* get the same results from a reflector array made specifically to reflect straight back and an equally reflective natural ground surface that isn't.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 6:07:32 PM
@Angilion: You've done a fine job of mentally smacking around the "Lunatics"!

Hats off!

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 6:04:33 PM
call it what you may however only what, 50 or so people (maybe even less) have been to outer space/the moon so it's definitely possible that everything could be faked.


You're wrong by an entire order of magnitude and you're wrong in your underlying assumption that only people who've been to outer space can know if anyone has been to outer space. Things can and are be tracked from Earth.

lots of elements could have prevented neil armstrong from even landing on the moon.


Like what? The only vaguely plausible reason conspiracy nutters have is that aliens forbade it and used their vastly superior technology to fool the numerous people who were checking everything at the time. Cold war, you know? The USSR was watching very closely.

we will never know.


You won't, because you chose not to. You have no evidence and no reason, but you make that choice anyway.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 3:16:52 PM
The "Moon Landing Conspiracy" Is promoted by CoInTelPro to discredit ALL who question the US Government... just FYI.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:41:18 AM
I realise you were joking but it's a surprisingly common thread of reasoning

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:39:48 AM
So all these people who knew about the impending demolition stay in there? Or are they subsequently assassinated? Again that involves almost as many people being involved in a further crime, not to mention the police who would be told not to investigate these murders, families who question why they've gone. Do the families get bumped off as well in case someone told their wife who might spill the beans if their husband is murdered? Again, that explanation is more ludicrous than the accepted truth.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:28:29 AM
@fuzzysheep:

as far as 9/11 goes, see the opening scene of the dark knight, if you killed all these people off, there is nobody to talk...

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:13:02 AM
and that's just the first moon landing I'm talking about. The number of people who would know about this by now would be in the 10,000s. All obediently keeping schtum.

The same is true of the controlled demolition theory for 9/11 (I know it's a different conspiracy but it's kinda relevant). Have you seen how long it takes to rig a building for controlled explosion, how many explosives they use, for 9/11 to have been a controlled explosion then somehow they smuggled thousands of pounds of explosives into a working office block, this would mean at least paying off security guards, office workers etc. including organising the high jackings it would mean a minimum of 300 people being complicit and none of them have said anything.

If you're going to reject the accepted version of events you have to consider whether or not your alternative explanation makes any sense. In most cases they just don't.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 8:06:40 AM
The basic problem with the moon landing conspiracies, apart from the overwhelming amount of evidence, is the same as with most conspiracy theories. They hinge upon the government being so organised and water tight that no-one remotely credible has found any concrete evidence to prove them.

If the moon landing's were faked it would have taken at least 40 people to do the shooting, more to make the props, not to mention the thousands of people who built the rocket and the scientists who designed the "fake" lander. All in all at least 5000 people would have to be in on it and not one of them has come out and said anything? Come on, open your eyes.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 6:01:59 AM
@pigsnout

As of April 5, 2010 total of 517 humans from 38 countries have gone into space 12 have walked on the moon.List of their names.

Atrayu4u
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 5:57:06 AM
freddy, my ex worked with NASA a while back. You might know him as Dr. Jones, though he's not a doctor.

freddyferret
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 11586 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:35:52 PM
I know the truth but I could never tell. Oh the joys of top secret government clearance.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12964 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:50:17 PM
Let him tell that to this guy.

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:31:55 PM
those flashes were thin antennas reflecting sunlight, wires would remain at 90' to the ground but the so called wires tilted with the rest of the backpack . . . why are people so gullible?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4172 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:16:45 PM
@Zed68,

I used to enjoy saying, "Just how stupid can these idiots get", until I realized I was just setting them a goal.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:59:45 PM
BTW would NASA even let mythbusters in the door to do ANY tests if they thought the outcome would be any different? That suggests to me a bias in the results.


they had nothing to hide, so why wouldn't they let them conduct tests?

like I said before, and has been reiterated a few times, only TWO of the 5 moon tests were done at NASA, and only 1 really needed to be done there, but they wanted that awe factor.

most conspiracy theorist believe in aliens, so I have to ask, do aliens exist (as even Buzz Aldrin has claimed to have seen santa claus) or was the moon landing fake, pick carefully

pigsnout5
Female, 18-29, Western US
 548 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:08:42 PM
call it what you may however only what, 50 or so people (maybe even less) have been to outer space/the moon so it's definitely possible that everything could be faked. lots of elements could have prevented neil armstrong from even landing on the moon. we will never know.

antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:06:47 PM
Angillion, they fire 10 to the power of 17 (100 million billion) photons at that 'mirror'. Only a handful come back suggesting that the mirror is dusty and only has an albedo of .8 as of 2012. The moon has an albedo of .8 - .12 depending on it's phase.

Imagine that...

I don't believe the waving flag, or the shadows, or the strings etc etc. as evidence, but when someone throws an "in your face" piece of evidence, I have to question it, and the mirror doesn't hold water for me.

BTW would NASA even let mythbusters in the door to do ANY tests if they thought the outcome would be any different? That suggests to me a bias in the results.

Just saying, an idiot asks the wrong questions, but a bigger idiot doesn't ask any questions at all, and believers just don't ask questions.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:02:58 PM
If only we had some pictures of the landing site to show that the vehicles and footprints still remain...[a picture of exactly that, taken recently by the LRO]


That would make sense...but it's no use when arguing against people who believe nonsense.

Anyone who believes that all the video and photographs of the moon landings are fake will of course believe that any photos of the tracks and discarded equipment from those landings are also fake. It's a matter of faith.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:52:19 PM
After why, there's how.

"movie special effects" is the easy answer, but if you learn about the subject you learn that it's a wrong answer. Sure, they could fake the video today with CGI, but not in 1969. I suppose it would have been possible on paper to have a photorealistic artist draw the unfakable parts of the videos frame by frame, but that's not very plausible.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:46:49 PM
I realise that the "moon landing is fake" position is entirely one of faith with total disregard for evidence or rationality, so I realise that arguing against it is almost always pointless, but I do it in case there are some people who have been indoctrinated into believing it and who are totally ignorant of anything and everything to do with the subject (anyone who isn't that ignorant can't believe the landings were fake).

So, here's an open question:

Why?


It's proven that the USA had developed and built everything necessary for a moon landing by the time of the first one - they showed it off! It wasn't a secret.

It's proven that a lunar mission occured - independent tracking of the ship and of the video source location and reflector array.

So why would they have faked the landings? The astronauts forgot to get onboard and nobody noticed? The aliens told them to do it? Why?

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