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Gay Rights In The US, State By State [Pic+]

Hits: 18117 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 3:46:50 AM
@Cajun247

"Yet certain groups get added benefits which isn't equal treatment under the law."

The subject MeGrendel and I were discussing was hate crime legislation. You are trying to conflate this with affirmative action.

The two are very different things. Please assure me that you know this.

003067
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 147 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:02:49 PM
so...gays cant go to school?

mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2209 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:41:21 PM
Hey, look everybody!
8Bithero said: "AMUUUURICA!"... again.

AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 946 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:36:11 PM
Dang, I thought we were doing so well here in Tennessee. Guess I'll have to move to Mississippi now.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:16:29 PM
AMUUUURICA!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10207 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:22:47 PM
Look at the Martin case: A whole country foaming at the mouth for weeks...


...and yet we have hate crime laws.

Would you like to show me where it states in your hate crime legislation that only certain people are protected?


Yet certain groups get added benefits which isn't equal treatment under the law.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10207 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:46:20 PM
leads us down the road that eventually they will criminalize 'Hate Thought'


I doubt that, the court has been rather unwavering in defense of the First Amendment.

pixiechick81
Female, 30-39, Canada
 839 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:07:16 PM
"United States of America" there appears to be little unity here... or with many other laws for that matter

notorious98
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 151 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:06:57 AM
@MeGrendel

Perhaps it's about time you brush up on the facts of that Matthew Owens case. Those "20 black men" turned out to mostly be bystanders. One of the men arrested turned himself in and has had run-ins with Owens before. Oh. And Owens was throwing his own racial epithets around as well. Also, take a look at his arrest record. Owens has a nice rap sheet.

And, by the way, Delmon Young of the Detroit Tigers was arrested for a hate crime related assault on a Jewish white man.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:39:08 AM
@MeGrendel

"You do realize that no, it does not? It does, in fact, protect no one. But certain portions of the population get the added benifit of thier injuries or death will be classified a 'Hate Crime'."

Would you like to show me where it states in your hate crime legislation that only certain people are protected?

Oh look, patchgrabber's given you some actual figures. I'll just wait here for you to squirm and wriggle and ignore them.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:08:10 AM
...Now I'm not saying the Martin case was a hate crime, but just look at the impact race has on a country, it can tear it apart if the divide is big enough. Hate crime laws are about a paradigm shift in society. Do they prevent hate crime? Well to that I would ask if murder punishments prevent murder. Are hate crime laws necessary? Probably not, but I think it is about society trying to say that racial/sex orientation etc. discrimination is wrong.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:05:40 AM
@MeGrendel: You're slightly cherry-picking. Yes, it is more likely for a violent crime against a minority to be labelled a hate crime, but the FBI keeps hate crime stats on all races/sexual orientations etc. In 2007, for example, 828 people were convicted for committing racially motivated hate crimes agianst white people. 19 people were even found guilty of committing anti-heterosexual hate crimes. They laws definitely do not only apply to minority victims, although it is likely the majority.

Assault is Assault regardless of what he thought about.

Not really. Hate crimes aren't just made to make the public feel warm and fuzzy, hate crimes are crimes intentionally aiming to create racial or other special kinds of conflict. Because of that, they do more harm to society than the non-hate crime versions of those crimes, so society places higher penalties on them. Look at the Martin case: A whole country foaming at the mouth for weeks...

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:49:47 AM
LillianDulci-"Imagine a straight white male Christian was murdered in your town. In one scenario...In another scenario."

Don't have to imagine it.

Yondell Johnson (black) was beat by 4 white men (no weapons) while they yelled racist epithats. Three were found guilty of a hate crime.

Matthew Owens (white) was beat by ~20 black men with bricks, pipes, a bat and brass knuckles while they yelled racist comments, and also yelled, 'Now that's justice for Trayvon'. Strangely enough, that's not being prosecuted as a 'Hate Crime'.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:49:29 AM
Musuko42-"You do realise that hate crime legislation protects everyone"

You do realize that no, it does not? It does, in fact, protect no one. But certain portions of the population get the added benifit of thier injuries or death will be classified a 'Hate Crime'.

And, the fact that they can label it as 'Hate Crime' (after the fact) and apparently criminalize it, leads us down the road that eventually they will criminalize 'Hate Thought'. So that they can determine, before the fact and using their own definitions, that you are guilty of 'Criminal Thoughts' and must be removed from society.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:42:50 AM
Agreed simbha, if people want to preserve the purity of the religious institution of marriage then they have to allow it to be divorced from the legal status it affords. The government has the right, some would say obligation, to grant the same rights to same sex couples as to heterosexual couples. Whether or not a particular church decides to bless that union should be a separate issue.

The church shouldn't own marriage, it should be an entirely legal construct considering it confers so many legal advantages which it is unfair to restrict to a religiously defined group.

fuzzysheep
Male, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:38:29 AM
Trutenrman recently Barack Obama went on record saying he supported gay marriage and the issue of gay rights as a whole matters a great deal to a lot of people. It tends to polarise people and cause a great deal of debate. Whenever there is an I-am-bored post about gay rights or religion or the interaction between the two there is a lot of discussion.

Whether or not that's what you come to IAB for, there's a few of us that find a good debate is one of the more effective way of assuaging boredom. I reckon there's a decent blend of lolcat videos and thought provoking political posts to keep everyone happy.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:33:59 AM
I couldn't care less if gays are legally allowed to 'marry'.

What I do care about is that our government should not allow one group of people to receive the direct benefits of being in a committed relationship and deny these benefits to another group.

If your stance is that marriage is a religious institution, the solution is not to deny marriage to those who don't fit within your definition; it's to deny that the government has the authority to even recognize marriage. Instead, ALL legally-recognized unions between two people should be regarded as just that - legally-recognized unions - and there would then be no justification for denying that recognition to gays, as well.

By some people's definition, I am not a married man - because my wife and I were married in a civil ceremony by a JP. Yet, we're a man-and-a-woman, and we've been in a committed relationship for over 15 years.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:23:00 AM
What's with the friggin' gay trend on I-A-B?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33882 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:10:10 AM

"There is a significant difference between planned homicide and manslaughter, for example."

Apples and Oranges. That's the differance between and accident and a deliberate act, can't compare the two. Hate Crime ligislation is punishing a person because we don't like what he was thinking at the time he deliberately committed a crime. I don't there here is such a thing as an accidental Hate Crime.

Assault is Assault regardless of what he thought about. In my view, the guy who mugged/killed over the $20 in your wallet is a greater threat to society than a biggot - he's a danger to everyone but he'll get a lesser punishment than someone who's religious or political viewpoint doesn't match up with current political correctness.


Forplay2k
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 386 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:30:01 AM
I wish they would stop posting this type of crap.
This is soooo boring.

LemonCurry
Male, 40-49, Asia
 978 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:21:55 AM
@5Cats

"@LemonCurry: Spousal abuse of men by women is one of THE MOST under reported and under prosecuted crimes. It's just not funny. Sorry.

Taking into account the harm cause TO the victem of crime is already well established! Claiming that a gay man who's stabbed is "more of a victem" than a straight man is insane. "
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Sorry, I'll have to deduct 1 point from your score for missing my point, and another point for bad spelling. Keep trying!

bophus
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 401 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:00:05 AM
@keith2

Who is trying to take marriage from straight people? I havent seen anything that says if gay people are allowed to marry, straight people will not.

your entire statement is ridiculous.

also, studies show that children with gay parents, are very happy and well adjusted. probably, because two gays guys ,make the decision to have children and it cant happen by accident like most children born now are.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:55:04 AM
@mykunter

You do realise that hate crime legislation protects everyone (or at least, is written to do so; how it's enforced may vary), not just minorities...right?

...right?!

Please tell me you know that. PLEASE tell me you're not THAT ignorant of the world in which you live.

"I don't watch much news"

Oh. Right. Maybe you are. This saddens me.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:49:52 AM
@Gerry1of1

"There are already laws against assault, If their motive is religious hate or "Gimmie your money" which is worse?"

See below. The motive has a bearing on the offender's likelihood to reoffend, which is a consideration when sentencing.

Assuming, of course, that your criminal justice system considers public safety as one of the reasons for confining criminals.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:46:25 AM
@5Cats

"It makes no difference to the dead person..."

It makes a difference to the rest of us, though.

In the scenario that LillianDulci depicts, you have one murderer who, if released, is likely to kill again if someone sleeps with his wife, and you have one murderer who, if released, is likely to kill again if he bumps into a Christian.

It should be reasonably clear that the second event is more likely to occur than the first.

And when public safety is a consideration in sentencing dangerous criminals, the difference IS important to consider, because it does have a bearing on an offender's likelihood to reoffend.

I hope that makes sense. I genuinely hope you understand the reasoning behind hate crime legislation, and change your opinion of it.

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