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Look Who's Finally Taken A Stance On Gay Marriage

Hits: 8713 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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illios
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 183 Posts
Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:22:57 AM
Is so fun to watch politics in action, No matter which side posts what, the other ALWAYS steps in with "Actually you're wrong" then the best part "No you are" "No you are", and it's all pointless because it ends with two extreme left's and right's trying to assert political dominance on a freakin website.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:25:23 PM
@richanddead realignment is explained really well at Conservapedia. Go a little over half way down the Republican page to Realignment: The South becomes Republican.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:18:13 PM
The flip happened for due to other sociological and economic reasons. The south was far more religiously oriented, aswell as laissez-faire capitalist. When FDR came to office he used a new form of capitalism known as Keynesian economics, in which the government intervened in the economy to stimulate areas of growth but generates large amounts of inflation and doesn't focus on a true "equilibrium price". FDR was critizized for being too socialist and focusing on class warfare (sound familiar). Sociallism was seen as closly tied to communism, and communism was closely tied to athiesm. For these reasons many southerners switched parties, to preseve their local economies and mores.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:15:23 PM
You are correct in that the South was heavily democratic and then changed to mainly republican.
But this was more for economic reasons rather than idological reasons. The Civil War was fought in order to determine the ratio of power between the federal government and state government rather then slavery. Slavery was the stimulating event because the majority of American agricultural income was based on slave labor although slavery was widely concidered imoral. This question would determine whether America would have an industrial based economy or a agricultural based economy. The south feeling, that because they were free individuals they had no obligation to adhere to a central government due to it's inherent inflexibility of representation.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:12:25 PM
@markust123, @madest, @LillianDulci-

I believe you guys are incorrect about republicans turning into democrates and vise-versa.
The Democratic Party, claims a position on the left of the political theory continum, has been labeled 'liberal.' It is a popular verbiage from Locke and Rousseau. The name is derived from the Latin, liber, which means free. It is a party believeing in a more direct form of democrocracy, in which every person has a more individual say in their representation.

The Republican party actually had its roots in opposition to slavery. In 1854, former members of the Free Soil Party, the Whig Party, the American Party, and some Democrats came together in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have allowed these territories to enter the Union as slave states. Party founders adopted the name Republican, to indicate that it was the carrier of republican beliefs about civic virtues, and a more representive based voting representation.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:15:05 PM
LA Times Op-Ed Today!
"Too Brainy To Be President?"
Is Obama too smart for the American public to understand?

I could not make this up, no one would ever believe it.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:19:16 PM
Look at his academic career and you know it.

Good idea @Gerry1! I'll just check Obamas grades and SATs and... oh wait, they're SECRET! lolz!


markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:10:59 PM
"Obama just reads the teleprompters, his handlers do the thinking for him."

Love the Karl Rove technique of attacking the Presidents strengths. The more you try to pretend that Obama is not intelligent the less intelligent you look.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:13:12 PM
ONE DAY LATER A full-out attack ad by the Obama campaign!
Who thinks this was a "spontanious" decision? LOLZ! Obama just reads the teleprompters, his handlers do the thinking for him.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:37:41 AM
@CJ, You mean back in the day when republicans were democrat? Yeah I know.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:19:45 AM
@Yeahhhhhhhhh. Obama supporting gay marriage was a huge deal in the gay community. The fact that you were sh*tting on my parade shows what a small petty person you are. Can't you be happy for people?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:16:51 AM
"I really don't think it's fair to compare Republicans and Democrats of today with previous incarnations. The parties shifted in ideology, and to deny that is lunacy."

Of course CrakrJak knows that. And he knows all of the South was Democrats (All of the South) for 100 years up until Civil rights. He just uses this to distract and push buttons. Don't feed the trolls.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:52:01 AM
CJ, surely you realize that the Republican party used to be the liberal/progressive party and the Democratic party used to be the conservative party. Democrats were mostly in the southern states and wanted to keep slaves and such. Republicans (conservatives) nowadays identify more with the southern states pre-civil war (even if not agreeing with slavery) because of the conservative views. The party names are irrelevant when you look at the popular ideologies of the groups and realize that today's Republicans would have been Democrats in the past.

This link has a timeline explaining it. Essentially Democrats weren't considered liberal until around FDR.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:09:03 AM
I really don't think it's fair to compare Republicans and Democrats of today with previous incarnations. The parties shifted in ideology, and to deny that is lunacy.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:03:31 AM
wake_n_bake: I know that about the emancipation proclamation. I was just pointing out that you can take the cynical view that Obama's decision was purely political (highly possible), but it still doesn't change the fact that it's a landmark moment. Just as the emancipation proclamation was a major step forward, even though its reasoning might not have been truly moral.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17170 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:00:06 AM
madest: Republicans were the first to oppose slavery, the first to emancipate slaves, the first to allow blacks to vote or hold office, the first create national parks, the first to integrate blacks in the military, the first to get a Nobel peace prize, the first Jewess in congress, the first to order troops to protect black students, the first to appoint a black man to an executive position on the White House staff, the first Asian Senator, the first Jewish U.S. Secretary of State, the first (and only) party to strongly back the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the first Hispanic to serve as a U.S. Cabinet Member, the first woman and the first Hispanic to become a Surgeon General, the first Asian Cabinet minister, the first Black Secretary of State, the first Hispanic American Attorney General and the first Black female Secretary of State.

Just to name a few 'Firsts'.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:46:24 AM
Like I said his making this statement did nothing to swing public attitude, all it did was win him some votes and not make him look like a dick because his VP came out in favor or gay marriage!
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First of all you don't know if his support on this issue swayed anybodies opinion. He only came out in support gay marriage yesterday. Let the news sink in I think you see that polls will indeed swing towards acceptance with this approval. This is a huge deal for the gay community. Ending DADT and now support for gay marriage means we have a president who doesn't look down on a segment of the population. Obama's position on this issue mirrors that of the nation. This should have happened years ago but we are slower to accept change than many 3rd world countries and for that we should be ashamed.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2075 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:29:57 AM
People whine about this guy no matter what he does. If after taking a leak, Obama shook it three times, people would proclaim his incompetence and inexperience for not shaking it a fourth time. If he did shake it four times, people would carry on about his excessive shaking, and how it's bringing the Nation to it's knees(Pun intended).

Yeahhhhhhhhh
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 105 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:52:25 AM
@Markus, just because Obama made this statement, shockwaves are being felt across the nation. You know the 30 states that banned gay marriage? After this they were like "ohh poo, Obama supports it, I guess we all should too."

Like I said his making this statement did nothing to swing public attitude, all it did was win him some votes and not make him look like a dick because his VP came out in favor or gay marriage!

So go out and celebrate Markus, because this one statement will end the hate of gay people for all time, nobody will be bigoted against you, take away your rights, or kill you for being homosexual anymore. No Obama is like the gay messiah, he speaks one word and EVERYBODY the world over suddenly changes and starts giving a poo about your rights!

That last part was a rant, but seriously your attitude through this whole thing is childish at best.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:06:33 AM

5Cats,
"Without the teleprompter he can barely form a coherent sentence."

You're confusing Obama with Bush. Easy mistake, they look so much alike.
Obama may be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. Look at his academic career and you know it.

Whether he is good or bad, right or wrong, moral or imoral I shall leave up to your judgement. But stupid he's not.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:00:11 AM
Republicans should think of doing something groundbreaking someday. They're never first in anything and if they come up with an idea that the dems think is worthy, they do what comes naturally and hate their own idea. They are a vapid bunch, full of excuses on a path to nowhere.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17170 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:44:30 PM
This might've been 'ground breaking' if Obama had a mind of his own. Obama just sticks his finger into air and goes in the direction of the wind.

This wasn't brave, it was contrived. Biden's remarks were the 'trial balloon' for Obama, he didn't risk anything.

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:45:22 PM
Politicians.... I'm for whatever I think will give me the best chance of getting elected!

.....before you flip the heck out BO worshipers...I said Politicians.

Ever notice how most outrage by one side is met with the argument of.... "You did it first" or "You do it worse"?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10129 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:27:36 PM
"This will mark the 4th election in a row where gay people are used as pawns in the culture war."

...and Obama's the one doing it this time!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:37:18 PM
I had a good laugh reading your top two posts 5Cats. I was going to say that you should write fiction but you would need to be able to make it believable. Not really your specialty. Have a good night Obama haters. Looks like you are having fun while the gays are off celebrating.

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