 LastJuggalo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 214 Posts
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Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:11:46 PM
Thank you, Foamy. And Foamy creator. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9496 Posts
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Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:13:14 PM
to do with any taxes
Don't care.
Pensions, for example. Inheritance if there isn't a will.
Those can be included.
but it conveys no legal rights at all with respect to any other person or any institution.
Unless you make a statement in advance. So i.e. the hospital will know beforehand certain people are allowed to visit, whom under normal circumstances aren't. Granted you may have to make those arrangements outside of the contract. |
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 Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9676 Posts
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Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:18:35 PM
Yes, and what we mean to say is that people, as private citizens, should be able to render contracts without government pre-approval.
Fine, as long as you don't want those contracts to include any legal rights not strictly limited to the people signing the contract.
The obvious thing you'd be doing is removing marriage from anything to do with any taxes, but there would be many others. Pensions, for example. Inheritance if there isn't a will. Etc.
A contract between two people may be legally binding between those two people, but it conveys no legal rights at all with respect to any other person or any institution.
Is that actually what you want? |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9496 Posts
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Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:03:12 AM
If marriage has *any* legal significance, the government *is* involved.
Yes, and what we mean to say is that people, as private citizens, should be able to render contracts without government pre-approval. |
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Paot1
Male, 18-29, Canada
28 Posts
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Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:28:35 AM
Closed minds come with open mouths. |
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 Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3545 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:15:52 PM
"DON'T DENY THE HOT LESBIANS NEXT DOOR! Where's my binoculars now?" LOL
~Squrlz high-fives Foamy~ |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9676 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:06:42 PM
The problem isnt gay marriage....its the fact that government is involved in marriage at ALL.
If marriage has *any* legal significance, the government *is* involved.
I'd treat the three different things as different things:
1) Personal. Vows of commitment between the people. Call it a wedding, as that's what 'wedding' means. No legal significance - it's personal, not political.
2) Legal. A legally binding contract detailing rights and responsibilities, just like any other contract. This is the bit that the government runs - it's a government approval of the relationship. Call it a civil partnership, as it's like a business partnership.
3) Religious. Religious approval of the relationship. No legal significance - it's religious, not political. Solely in the hands of each religious governing body - they decide whether or not to approve on whatever grounds they think are relevant to their religion. |
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Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
1158 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:17:12 PM
I LOVE FOAMY THE SQUIRREL!!!! A very well put rant... take that uptight religious nuts!! |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9496 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 1:15:15 PM
There are legal reasons for the government being involved. Without a legal recognition of 'married' then your wife would not be your next of kin to make medical decisions. Your spouse would not inherit your property.
What I mean is it should be regulated like any other contract in American jurisdiction. The government should not be the sole distributor of "marriage licenses". So even as a "private contract" both parties would still have the same privilages as in system that handed out marriage licenses. Being a party to the contract grants you unrevocable rights to visit your spouse in the hospital and inheritances. On top of which, divinity forbid, if divorce is necessary it is still possible. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17442 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:47:47 PM
I had a slightly NSFW warning origionally, but the description change is a good one.
I love the counting with one finger at a time, lolz!
I said here the government should be OUT of the marrige business, and over at another thread that ALL marriages should be government registered.
What I mean is: either allow ALL people to claim marrige rights EQUALLY or get out of the game entirely.
Just to be clear! |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17442 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:10:42 PM
@Cajun: I totally agree: the gov't should not be in the marriage business, period. @viperjason too!
@ggolbez: not nearly, there's many Faomy videos that don't get posted here, even though they're hysterically funneh!
Medicinal Mochachino
Can you not follow the trail of brain crumbs I am leaving for you? |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26235 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:04:43 PM
government should not be involved in marriage at all
There are legal reasons for the government being involved. Without a legal recognition of 'married' then your wife would not be your next of kin to make medical decisions. Your spouse would not inherit your property.
As it stands now, after 20 years together I cannot make his medical decisions in the event of coma. I don't even have the right to visit him in the hospital. The "seperate but equal" Domestic Partnership in California gives me the right to claim his body, not visit him or make decisions. If he died the bank account goes to his sister who he hasn't spoken to in 15 years.
None of that affects anyone but us, but for some reason, some tight-ass decided to make it their business to decide what type of relationship he and I have. We can't decide that ourselves.
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9496 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:22:13 AM
dubtac: Then government should not be involved in marriage at all. |
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dubtac
Male, 18-29, Southern US
21 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:09:53 AM
The problem is that straight couples that aren't married benefit the government by paying higher taxes as single individuals. This isn't about straight or gay this is about money. The least amount of people getting married period the government makes more tax revenue period. This is all a power play in the gay community to get a tax break. In case no one has figured this out follow the money. |
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 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
5420 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:45:15 AM
Getting married isn't that important anyway. |
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 ggolbez
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1842 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:49:19 AM
It's like I am actually subscribed to his YouTube channel by visiting I-A-B! |
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viperjason
Male, 18-29, Western US
67 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:21:01 AM
The problem isnt gay marriage....its the fact that government is involved in marriage at ALL. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9496 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:16:39 AM
Not even this squirrel gonna convince real hardliners. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26235 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:53:26 AM
Really 5Cats? Logic? Yo can't use Logic!
Not against bible thumpers. If that worked we wouldn't be arguing about Evolution vs Creation in schools. |
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 PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1160 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:49:08 AM
LOL! Thanks 5cats! What got me rolloing is my fond memories of the two hpt young lesbians that moved into our previous neighborhood. We had a community pool, and they wore very skimpy bikinis!
How terrible! I know women in skimpy bikinis are enjoyed and accepted but knowing they loved each other changes everything. That really must have destroyed all the families and their values in the entire community...
(This was sarcasm) |
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 DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
947 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:49:02 AM
Has Melissa Etheridge seen this? |
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 jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3059 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:09:53 AM
LOL! Thanks 5cats! What got me rolloing is my fond memories of the two hpt young lesbians that moved into our previous neighborhood. We had a community pool, and they wore very skimpy bikinis! |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17442 Posts
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Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:44:26 AM
Link: Foamy The Squirrel On Gay Marriage [Rate Link] - Doesn't matter if you're for it or against it, Foamy puts the issue to rest with blinding logic. |
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