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kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 702 Posts
Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:07:24 PM
st the aforementioned outlawed behaviors

kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 702 Posts
Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:06:21 PM
@5cats,
To each their own. But I fail to see how that'd be any different than a gay guy saying "I like Chinese guys. I can't help it...."
Changing the scope of the question doesn't really add anything to support your claim. And as I've already said, Genes may only play a part in it (i.e., determine the underly fundamental sexuality construct), that being said, they may also play a majority role in it (in which case your CGMMHS condition, as bizarre as it may be, actually supports my position).
But it looks like I have to reiterate; sexuality is a SPECTRUM, and much like the color of one's skin, it can come in many more shades than our man-made categorical approach can neatly deal with.
And before you launch into the classic 'then where does it stop? Pedophilia? Bestiality? ' argument, let me just point out one thing. Grown adults engaging in NON-HARMFUL, and MUTUALLY CONSENSUAL behaviors is more than a little different to the easily defendable laws again

robert69
Male, 40-49, Canada
 31 Posts
Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:41:21 PM
the fat part is wrong

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Friday, May 11, 2012 3:37:37 PM
@kangoala: Thanks for being polite and you're well spoken too!
We'll probably have the same conversation the next time this comes up at IAB. And it will! lolz!

Chinese Girls Make Me Horney Syndrome: It's a fact! Ever since I was a little lad, I've had CGMMHS! It's in my DNA, it's genetic! I simply cannot help myself OR change my sexual preference. ONLY Chinese Girls get MY flag to full mast! Not Japanese or Koreans; Chinese!
Obviously it's genetic, right? No other possible explaination!

(sprinkle with a hint of sarcasm & serve deadpan)
(lolz!)

kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 702 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:57:35 PM
@5Cats.
To claim that it's not changeable is, I guess, a little simple. But that's only as simple as saying 'going gay' is also a choice. The issue isn't whether it's 'possible' to change one's sexual preference (however extreme the method for doing so may be), the issue is whether or not it's something that might be genetic in nature, and therefore not of one's independent cognition. If sexuality is I choose, then I sure as hell don't remember getting asked whether or not I wanted to be gay. But I don't regret it, it is what it is. I'm more physically attracted to members of my sex. That's not proof one way or the other, I just can't imagine why one would actively choose to have to wrestle with justifying to everyone else that what they feel is a fundamental, unconscious attraction...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:17:18 PM
@jendrian: Homosexual behavior does NOT mean the animal is a homosexual, ok?
Mutual and exclusive. I read a lot of that link, it says right in it that just because they observe the act, they have no idea if that animal does a heterosexual act the next day, ok?

@kangoala: I knew that, except for the proper technical term "teratogens" lolz!

The reason I argue it's not genetic is because those whao say it is also claim that therefor it's IMPOSSIBLE to change your sexual orientation! That's utter nonsense, and I'm not talking about "reprogramming" I'm saying that lots of people move between hetero or bi or homo during their life! I doubt DNA forced them to.

Claiming that it's "natural" for humans is... CORRECT! lolz! (thought I'd say no, eh?)
BUT extending that claim into the animal kingdom is just plain silly.
IMHO

kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 702 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:13:14 PM
@5Cats.
Sorry it took so long to reply, I didn't realize this thread was even still alive. And to retort, 'predisposed' DOES mean 'genetic trait'. It's the genetic trait that predisposes you toward a particular physical attribute! So no, you can't 'choose' to have three ears if you've only got two, but if the combination of genetic sequences that regulate the formation of ears has a mutation that renders it susceptible to teratogens (look it up), such as alcohol, it IS conceivable (although highly unlikely in this particular instance) that you'd end up with three ears when exposed to the relevant environmental factors. Speaking of which, if you've got multiple older brothers from the same biological mother then your mother's estrogen actually plays the part of a 'gay' teratogen (it gets better at fending off the male development hormones), making it more biologically probable that you'll have higher levels of female hormones. This doesn't mean 'gay', but it's a pertinent genetc

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:45:22 AM
5Cats wrote:
Thousands upon thousands of "articles" have claimed the Lock Ness Monster is real...


Peer-reviewed scientific articles cite homosexual animal behaviour, not "articles" claiming the existence of the Loch Ness Monster. The words you missed are PEER-REVIEWED and SCIENTIFIC

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:43:50 AM
5Cats: If a nymphomaniac woman has sex with a woman, she has had a homosexual encounter, if 2 hours later she has sex with a man, a heterosexual encounter. If bonobos happen to do the same, you count that as "hypersexual", a word that only you and Zeus know what it means.

Again, I didn't link anything, your link specifically starts with:
A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them


It includes:
The correct usage of the term homosexual is that an animal exhibits homosexual behavior or even same-sex sexual behavior; however, this article conforms to the usage by modern research


And it's well referenced and cited.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:49:45 AM
Even after the hundreds upon hundreds of articles that appear

Thousands upon thousands of "articles" have claimed the Lock Ness Monster is real...
Bigfoot..
MILLIONS of articles have calimed UFO's are real!
Need I go on?
My MILLIONS overmatch your "mere hundreds" easily, but are no more "true" ot "factual", get it?

That's what I mean when I say you need to learn when to shut it

I'm trying really hard to NOT take that personally...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:42:42 AM
@jendrian: You are absolutely wrong, sry!
Bonobos are in NO WAY shape or form "homosexuals"... ffs!
AGAIN: read what your own links say
AGAIN: define homosexuality properly
AGAIN: heterosexuality is NOT genetic

So, deal!!

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:24:45 AM
... on the other hand, just because it happens in the wild doesn't mean that it has to be genetic. It's not like animals are incapable of learned behaviour

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:23:17 AM
@5Cats: That's what I'm talking about when I say you need to know how to put some restraint when quoting inconclusive scientific research.

Really? Animal homosexuality is news to you? Even after the hundreds upon hundreds of articles that appear all the time in peer-reviewed scientific research and then leak into the news or some other outlet?

Read those links from wikipedia you posted, they have several examples of observed homosexual behaviour, for whatever reason it happens, it does.

Are you serious with the debate over bonobo sexuality? Come on, so because they engage in sex with whatever, then a homosexual or heterosexual encounter is not so? Come on man, the penguins? They didn't live alone and enclosed together in a zoo, they were part of a giant flock with lots of females, they chose each other consistently even after showing them females.

That's what I mean when I say you need to learn when to shut it

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:11:43 PM
He worked with men who were self-proclaimed "homosexuals" but very unhappy. It turns out the majority of them were raped as children, and simply grew up believing that they were gay!
Through therapy they re-arranged their minds and most "became" heterosexuals. Not 100% of course, but most of them. Even those that "stayed gay" were a lot happier than they were before.

Of course when he published his findings he was savagely attacked...

Were these men actually "homosexuals" in the first place? idk, but that's why I've used so many ""s eh?

@8BitHero those "religious deprogramming" places are completely different, in my opinion anyhow.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:04:31 PM
Please, kids also think crayons are delicious.

lolz! @Jendrian! but @tstyblucryns isn't a kid...

@LePigeon: A) Why do people have fetishes? Why are some people pedophiles? I know it's NOT DNA that's for sure!
B) huh?

So could you change to being gay over a certain amount of time?

@8BitHero: Yes, obviously!

It's like in America where they have Gay correctional facilities.

The one in Toronto, which was run by the Doctor (whose name eludes me) who was the guy who removed "homosexuality" from the list of mental illnesses, had an excellent track record for "curing" "homosexuality". Note the ""s, very important.

@8BitHero, ever heard of those people who suddenly "find that they're gay", at like 50? Yeah, it can change over time.

I know @jendrian, funny how that DNA changes when you're 50! lolz!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:50:49 PM
Wiki: Homosexual Behavior In Animals

Wiki: Homosexuality

Don't confuse "behavior" with DNA. An animal that has sex with both males and females is not homosexual! Doing the mating dance =/= homosexual! Two male peguins living their whole life in a zoo alone =/= homosexuals!

@MattPrince: I think you're agreeing with me, lolz! Thanks?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:41:13 PM
"Woah... Deja Vu." @Altaru: I hate deja vu! lolz! It really freaks me out, in that bad way.

@jendrian: Agrees with me, yay! Oh heck, that didn't last very long... lolz!
I know my choice of weight for an example of DNA was poor, I've switched to height which is a little more cut & dried (but not entirely of course).
I've never watched a sinlge episode of Bill O'Reilly, but seen clips of him now and then.
You got some gay animals? Lets see them!

@Stonards: Elephants screw each other in the butt??? News to me! Also if 45% of their sex is same, and 55% is other? That makes them BI sexual, m-k?

5cats is gay.

@PierreJeanFR: Is that what passes for "humour" in France these days? srsly...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25661 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:30:23 PM
Can we assume that a person with absolutely no social contact (human or animal) would naturally be straight?

@tstyblucryns: (I love that name btw!) This is what "science" used to believe was true! That all humans were "instinctively" heterosexual. That was like 60 years ago, eh? After Skinner's experiments, many beliefs about "instincts" were utterly destroyed.

This includes the bonobo apes that were filmed in the wild participating in homosexual conduct?

@Gerry1: Ah, the famous Bonobos! They are NOT homosexuals. In fact they are "hyper"sexuals, since they drat anything that moves and several things that don't.
They also have sex with Bonobo children...

Homosexuality: mutual sex exclusively with a partner of the same gender, despite available members of the other gender.

onewhosinz
Female, 30-39, Western US
 47 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:46:57 AM
Very well put LePigeon.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:34:25 AM
@8BitHero, ever heard of those people who suddenly "find that they're gay", at like 50? Yeah, it can change over time.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2490 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:33:21 AM
@LePigeon and TheShgn2, read the comments through, it's already explained that we're not claiming you can simply say: "k today a penis, tomorrow a vagina, and to spice things up a monkey for the weekend", it's not that kind of choice, it's more of the choices you make when you're younger influence how your genetic markup makes you react to your environment.

Kids thinking they are a girl trapped in a man's body? Please, kids also think crayons are delicious. They don't know, they're experimenting, it doesn't mean that you as a dumbass parent need to go and give them a sex-change operation because they said: "mom, I like playing house with barbie dolls".

Really, I lived it through, I wanted to be a girl so bad, now? Not so much, puberty kicked in and my love for vaginas has never been greater.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:25:54 AM
@5Cats
Not going to to start insulting you. But questions something

[i]Not an "I think I'll be heterosexual for the rest of my life" choice but a learned response, over years, with dozens if not hundreds of factors involved.
You like blondes? Redheads? Short? Tall? Wy exactly? It's not DNA though...[/i]

So could you change to being gay over a certain amount of time? It's like in America where they have Gay correctional facilities. They've never worked and I've never heard of them ever working. Despite how hard they try to sway gay people to being straight, it's never worked. When does the "influencing" begin? At what age?

Also you made a comment early about liking blondes/redheads etc. But does that also apply to personality because so far, we're going by what people look like?

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:12:34 AM
Religion is more of a choice than homosexuality.

LePigeon
Male, 30-39, Canada
 43 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:57:04 AM
If you do some research you will find cases of children expressing that they are trapped in the wrong body in other words, I have male parts but inside I’m a female body and vice versa. Studies also reflect that most homosexuals were raised by heterosexual parents and most children raised by homosexual parents turn out to be straight. That being said,with respect to the Nature vs. Nurture debate one could postulate that family life has a rather large impact on a child’s development, example a child whose parents smoke are more likely to pick up the habit; a male child who has an abusive father is more likely to become abusive himself. With all that being said, my questions to anyone who believes people choose to be gay are as follows,
A)If you believe they aren’t born that way, why wouldn’t the nurture vs. nature reasoning hold true for homosexuality?
B)Could you choose to find someone sexually attractive? If not why would you think homosexuals can?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:44:34 AM
I don't know if there is a gay gene, but you're excuse is completely lacking in either knowledge of genetics or knowledge of social stigma.

Just now read through that again...

That was supposed to say "YOUR excuse..." not "you're."

Too early in the morning to make up for auto-correct failures...

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