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Stephen Fry On The American Prison System

Hits: 8879 | Rating: (3.4) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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mcboozerilla
Male, 30-39, Europe
 649 Posts
Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:43:50 AM
Do conservatives ever feel deeply ashamed about being wrong about absolutely everything?

andybme
Male, 50-59, Western US
 296 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:44:08 AM
A large part of it is pot prohibition.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:47:55 PM
vv @HOBYandy: Great catch! I raised an eyebrow when he said that, but never gave it any thought.
17 year olds in college? lmao!

@8BitHero: Ah, that explains it a little, still a big boo-boo, fact-wise.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6068 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:37:34 PM
No doubt all those black men are completely innocent of any crime and it's all the fault of whitey.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15:22 PM
@HOBYandy
I'm also confused about that statistic but, here in the UK you finish secondary school/high school at 16
You then go onto 6th form/ college (very different to American college)/ work/ nothing/ end up on Jeremy Kyle. So for Stephen to use a British education system on an American one is confusing, unless I'm wrong here on what US education terms are.

Even still the point of the video is pretty disturbing. Also the dude making jokes is Jimmy Carr.
Haven't watched QI in a month.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2481 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:12:19 AM
Fry is so fly & NDT in one day!
IAB so ejumakeshanul.

slimofswiv
Male, 30-39, Europe
 116 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:42:35 AM
america is one drated up country, and i'm afraid my country is going the same way, america you have a lot to answer for

Fancysucksss
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1051 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:00:40 PM
Man I miss that show. Hell I miss the country. Baby come back

HOBYandy
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3067 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:30:42 PM
Anybody else catch this?

"There are more 17 year old black men in prison than in college."

This may be true. However, most people aren't in college until they are 18. It doesn't make his argument invalid, but it is a pretty skewed statistic.

shaustin
Male, 18-29, Canada
 143 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:26:38 PM
people who make the laws profit off the prisons, therefore trivial crimes, eg: marijuana possession = jailtime

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:12:34 PM
@Gerry1, My "Obama's position on Gay marriage" post is comming tomorrow huzza!

Funny how many of my submissions get put up now that @madest doesn't delete them, eh??? Bless you @FancyLad!

But we agree: Both the Dems and the Reps have had and blown their chance at governing responsibly...

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:23:20 PM

5Cats
"So many laws, so little freedom! And WHO wants more laws? Democrats! And WHO wants more freedom? Tea Party!"

Yes, your Tea Baggers want small government. Just small enough to fit in my bedroom. When they talk of freedom they don't mean freedom for "those people". Only freedom for their type of people.

Democrats are just as bad. They don't really believe in free speach. If you say anything they don't like they criminalize it and call it "hate speach".

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:19:04 PM
"There are so many thousands of felonies now that every day I'm sure I commit at least one without knowing it."

@Gerry1 makes a good point, @Cajun's link too: So many laws, so little freedom! And WHO wants more laws? Democrats! And WHO wants more freedom? Tea Party! Not the Repubs, lolz! They had their chance and blew it.

@Izak: that's an interesting theory that I've come across before.
Izak's Link to the site, not the article he mentions.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:06:23 PM

@ McGovern - that's a GREAT worlds-most-interesting-man pic! ha!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:00:55 PM

Good book


Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:59:34 PM

There are so many thousands of felonies now that every day I'm sure I commit at least one without knowing it.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10283 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:57:31 PM
This WSJ demonstrates Patchgrabber's point excellently.

Izaq
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:55:08 PM
@burbclayer
You ought to read the book Freakonomics (http://www.freakonomics.com/). They test all sorts of explanations to why crime levels are dropping. They are found to be invalid. Except the very striking correlation between the year the abortion became legal and 16 years later the crime levels of young americans suddenly drop sharply.

Most crime is committed by people in horrible conditions (financially, socially etc). To fight crime, you are right, you can remove the people by putting them in jail. Or you could improve their living conditions.

In my country (Denmark) we try the latter solution: Help them out before they become criminals. We have some of the lowest crime levels in the world.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:18:53 PM
@Lordjim: Exactly.

burbclaver
Male, 50-59, Western US
 859 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:01:27 PM
If the US system stinks so much, why has crime consistently fallen for the last 30 years? Maybe because the criminals aren't on the street but locked up?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10283 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:38:08 AM
MeGrendel

The question isn't about if you can get into prison, the question is who is in prison. For most Americans there are people in jail really shouldn't be in jail in the first place. The wasted tax dollars are too much and effect on crime is too little.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4610 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:05:11 AM
Surely the question is not about 'He commited a crime, his own fault.' but more about asking if the system works. If all you are doing is locking up more and more people then it clearly isn't working to reduce criminality. It may be working to increase profits for a few people but that is surely not what it should be for.


bongsmoka420
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 291 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:59:12 AM
Hey MeGrendel, i got arrested for riding a LEGAL mini-bike about 700 ft down a road. (I checked the laws next day) When I tried to explain it was legal to the cop he accused me of "givin him lip", which I wasn't, i was being very respectful, so he arrested me. I was 17 at the time and they still locked me up for a night, I only got out cause of bail. Lost a bunch of money and time, and a mini-bike. YAY AmericA! land of the free...

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:46:09 AM
MeGrendel: Believe it or not, the majority of people manage to go their whole lives without going to jail and/or prison.

So yes, it is relatively easy.




5cats:
See? THREE CHANCES to keep your butt out of prison. I've managed it!


A lot of mind projection fallacy/causal oversimplification going on here. You're assuming that because you avoided the justice system that it's just as easy for everyone else to do it.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:41:31 AM
There are NO asylums to put them anymore. The few that are left are packed with violently insane folks.
So they get put in jail. In jail they get their meds and get off the booze, they get better!
So they're paroled. Back on their own with very limited support, they go off their meds, back on the booze and presto! back to crime.

It's a tragic cycle that could be avoided if we incarcerated insane people in proper medical facilities, not mixing them with hard-core criminals.

The War on Drugs puts pot smokers in prison, it's just beyond belief.

Thanks for reading! Back to being bored...

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