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Neil DeGrasse's Fascinatingly Disturbing Thought

Hits: 8998 | Rating: (3.4) | Category: Science | Added by: fancylad
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Female, 18-29, Europe
 49 Posts
Monday, May 14, 2012 11:06:15 AM
"life might be an inevitable consequence of complex chemistry."

great quote :)

Female, 30-39, Canada
 2427 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:28:34 PM
Huh, I take to all sorts of animals and bugs all the time and I always look for a response.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 2496 Posts
Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:26:44 AM
@5Cats: The EPR experiment is the same kind of argument Schrodinger used against the interpretation of quantum mechanics, but in the case of Einstein about the interpretation of the wave function as the complete description of the state of a particle. In the sense that Schrodinger ridiculed QM, so did Einstein , Podolski and Rosen.

After that other people, notably Bell and de Broglie developed this experiment into something "testable" (in the sense of what QFT theorists do their experiments...) and found results consistent with their hypothesis. I don't agree much with their methods but moving on, the theory is theirs, just like you can't say that the current interpretation of QM is the work of Schrodinger because of his cat, you can't say that non-locality is Einstein's because of the EPR paradox.

Male, 50-59, Canada
 29146 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:08:36 PM
@jendrian: Are we talking about the same theory(s)? I thought we were, but you saying Einstein ridiculed it makes me wonder.

EPR Paradox

Halfway Down

Action At A Distance

It seems to me like it WAS Einstein's theory. That's how I remembered it.

Anyhow, thanks for the interesting conversation!

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1725 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:08:36 PM
He's so flawed in his comparisons. First of all he says we're 1% different from a chimp and then asks rhetorically when we've stopped to talk to a worm (which we're more than 1% different from). We have interacted with chimps and they certainly notice it.

Secondly, more importantly, what is this parallel he's drawing with intelligence and genetic difference? There is a zero difference between us now and our ancestors from 30k years ago. We're certainly more intelligent. What's up there?

The more reasonable explanation we haven't found intelligent aliens is because space is too big and our civilizations' peaks are separated by millions of years.

Male, 60-69, Europe
 5696 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:55:20 PM
When we declare that we have answered all the questions then we have failed as a species.

Male, 60-69, Europe
 5696 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:40:35 PM
Science, use it or lose it.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 2496 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:36:59 AM
and that is why I hate Neil DeGrasse Tyson, his entire "scientific" career is based around lobbying for NASA. I have no respect for him as a scientist.

Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:59:59 AM
Point of this musing is restore NASA budget if gov is too dumb then private money. Money well spent.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 2496 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18:26 PM
@5Cats: I don't expect you to understand it, but as a similar observation let's imagine I push you in the general direction of a black hole; you'd be accelerated to relativistic speeds (close to the speed of light) by the pull of the black hole and from your point of view, nothing would change, but from my point of view you would get infinitely close to the hole never reaching it because 1 second from your clock becomes bigger and bigger for my clock as you gain speed. So as the particles from that experiment get closer and closer to light speed, time happens slower and slower.

Look up time dilation and Lorentz transformations if you're still interested on why I'm so adamant in contesting your experiment of choice, it's because it's wrong, there are several, and I mean, several things wrong with the statement of action at a distance, which Einstein rightfully mocked.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 2496 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:12:20 PM
@auburnjunky: I'll cry myself to the lab.

@5Cats: that's not really all that's wrong with that experiment, the idea that information travels faster than the speed of light is only if you accept that the entire event happens in an euclidean (flat) space, which is not true when you're talking about particles travelling at the speed of light (you need to start considering Riemannian geometry). Time bends buddy, even if I were to accept that we somehow are capable of measuring speeds faster than light (which I don't, for the record), that still doesn't mean it's travelling faster than the speed of light.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 543 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:42:56 PM
thatjimguy: Just realized the irony of my post by misspelling "your". Anyway...

Male, 18-29, Europe
 543 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:42:00 PM
thatjimguy: What? Are you suggesting that you're God is only one percent smarter than us?

Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:32:52 PM
Gotta love some NDT.

Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15860 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:35:44 PM
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 455 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:58:22 PM
He couldn't be any closer to talking about the idea of God than that.

Male, 50-59, Canada
 29146 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:12:44 PM
Darn tootin @Mykunter!

We are the 99%!
Equal stupidity for all!!
We don't need no education!!!

Male, 30-39, Canada
 738 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:34:35 PM
anyone else notice how much more civility there is on science posts compared to religion posts? I will watch any Sagan / NdG / Frey / Dawkins / Science Drops posting. And I'll enjoy all 10 minutes of their going on and on and on because they know what they're talking about, they're passionate, and they're almost unerringly friendly.

Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2389 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:24:35 PM
Goddamn 1%ers... let's go protest in the streets!

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:23:04 PM
also, lol @ the people asking crakrjak to give examples of things we cannot perceive!

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:22:19 PM
NDT is fun to listen to but this is nothing more than 12 minutes of stoner talk. FFS, Perry Farrell wrote a song about tyson's big reveal back in the 90s.

Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10253 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:49:40 PM

Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 555 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:44:38 PM

..stay small.

Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10253 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:41:08 PM
Jendrian: "I couldn't finish it, I grew to hate Neil DeGrasse Tyson over the years..."

You just invalidated everything you will ever say, ever. Ever ever.

Male, 50-59, Canada
 29146 Posts
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08:10 PM
@patchy: yes, but we cannot "test" the gathering of billions of trillions of tons of Hydrogen over millions of years, eh? lolz! That's "actually testing a star" but for obvious reasons: not likely to happen.

We can observe it! From really far away (currently) but that's different.

@Otto: If you have faith that humans can learn everthing there ever is to know about the entire universe, good for you! I mean that in a nice way, k? Sure it's possible, in theory...

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