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greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2322 Posts
Monday, May 07, 2012 10:45:23 AM
good EA has turned into a poohole of a company.. i hope they die

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:02:55 PM
@Angilion you really are obtuse aren't you? Or do you just not bother to read the whole post you're quoting?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:51:20 PM
[quote">And one just needs to look at music sales from 20 years ago and then compare them to now to see how piracy is detrimentally affecting the entertainment industry.[/quote">

No, you need to look at the whole entertainment industry over that period and look at it in the context of the whole economy (obviously, when the economy is bad people spend less money on entertainment).

The entertainment industry is one of the most profitable in the USA.

Fortune 500 Top Performing Industries

Even if the music industry has lost 50% of its profits (and I won't take your word for that without any supporting evidence), that wouldn't be the result of piracy if people were spending more on videos and games instead of music.

Hang on...are you only counting music CD sales?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:42:35 PM
And what justifies the high prices is the ridiculousness amount of pirating hat takes money away from the companies.


Which is why PS3 games (very little or no piracy) have always been so very much cheaper than Xbox360 games (lots of piracy).

No, wait, they're about the same price.

Piracy isn't the cause of the price of games. It's the excuse used for it, which isn't the same thing at all.

The games industry must love piracy - it gives them a catch-all excuse to do anything.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:39:17 PM
I think the one thing that justifies stealing music/games/etc would be the ridiculously high prices that go along with legally buying whatever it is in question.


I think that games aren't really all that expensive. The cost per hour of entertainment is quite low if the game is any good.

What's much worse is the blatant ripping off of customers and control freakery by things such as including physical distribution costs in downloaded copies (a publisher can make 5 times as much profit from a downloaded copy as from a boxed retail copy), taking parts out of the game so it can be sold as DLC to inflate the price, taking control of when and if anyone is allowed to play the game and passing renting off as buying while charging for buying (using piracy as an excuse - nice touch) and killing the second hand market (which promoted the whole bloody industry - idiots).

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:31:38 PM
Even if you buy it after you downloaded it, you still downloaded it and lost them a sale, buying it afterwards in no way shape or form fixes that loss


Thanks for such a perfect example of how ridiculous your side is. Faith has made you totally irrational - buying a game "in no way shape or form" fixes the "loss" of not buying the game? Seriously? You think that makes sense?

Maybe you're a dedicated pirate who has faith that piracy is pure goodness and enlightenment and who is posing as the opposite position to make it look bad. That would make some sense.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:24:03 PM
Sure they might still make some money off of it, but compare this to all the money they could be making if piracy was not around.


Might be more, might be less, might be no different. That comparison can't be reliably made - there are reasons why it would be more and there are reasons why it would be less. It's only a clear-cut issue to the faithful on both sides, who don't need or want evidence.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:21:37 PM
This makes no sense to me


That's because you didn't read the post you're replying to, obviously. Which is to be expected from anyone who takes either of the extreme positions I referred to - neither side wants facts, rational argument or any realism to get in the way of their favoured position.

Also, you didn't even bother to get the quoting vaguely close to being correct. Well, either you didn't bother or you deliberately misrepresented it in a very clumsy way.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:56:34 PM
@skullgrin if the're not worth buying, why do you waste your precious time downloading and playing them?

skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 915 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:46:15 PM
"If you really don't like EA's practices bitch at them or don't buy their products anymore."

um..thats the point...we dont buy their products anymore. We download them for free instead. If EA doesnt like our practices then maybe they should do something about their products that arent worth buying instead of just complaining.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:39:08 PM
$WalkinAftr12
And what justifies the high prices is the ridiculousness amount of pirating hat takes money away from the companies.

it's a vicious circle where companies use the pirating excuse to "justify" the high prices and "consumers" use the high prices as an excuse to "justify" pirating.

kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 336 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:24:58 AM
*advertisements packaged with music downloads etc

kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 336 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:23:43 AM
I think the record companies need to accept that people will only pay what they believe to be a fair price. The sales figures and production costs are too easily available for the average consumer to be unaware of the huge profits production companies make from video games/music. When that info is at your fingertips, "what difference will one illegal copy make" is often the response.
Yes you can make the argument that "only one copy" turns into many thousands of copies, but that's ignoring the source of the problem, it is always a case of "only one copy".
Strongarm tactics by producers doesn't work (and often turns people against the producers). Prolific infringement can cause harm (although this damage is obviously exaggerated by one side of the fence and understated by the other).
The answer is likely to be in the form of alternative income source for the producers (along the lines of free distribution of a basic game with dlc costing, or adv

WalkinAftr12
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 170 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:11:13 AM
I think the one thing that justifies stealing music/games/etc would be the ridiculously high prices that go along with legally buying whatever it is in question. I feel no remorse.

Yeahhhhhhhhh
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 105 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:52:42 AM
@stonardsftw

You are still stealing poo. They have something called demos that are used as trial periods dumbass. If you really don't like EA's practices bitch at them or don't buy their products anymore. You also are trying to justify your stealing. Also the DLC is so developers can still make their money. Its to drat over Gamestop, without the DLC most developers would not get paid after completing the game, maybe some royalites from sales, but that is about all. Even if you buy it after you downloaded it, you still downloaded it and lost them a sale, buying it afterwards in no way shape or form fixes that loss and maybe the thousands of other losses.

Yeahhhhhhhhh
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 105 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:43:45 AM
@corpsecrank

See this is the arugment about piracy that I really hate. You have the options to rent stuff in case you want to try it before you buy it. You're the prime example of someone trying to justify their stealing.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:58:45 AM
@Corpsecrank
"So do they really want me to stop demoing the games they want to sell me? "

You mean demo-ing without their permissiong, then yes, they do.


"I have no problem finding other means of entertainment if they do"

Obvioiusly you do - they have you addicted.

chrn368
Male, 18-29, Western US
 173 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:19:12 AM
And one just needs to look at music sales from 20 years ago and then compare them to now to see how piracy is detrimentally affecting the entertainment industry. Pretty much renders the "people wouldn't buy it anyway argument" invalid because if you look at the numbers is very clearly shows that if there was not a free easy option to obtain it, a LOT more people would in fact buy it. Just FYI they've lost about 50 percent of their profits in the last ten years. This is also part of the reason music these days generally sucks a lot more. Record companies are losing so much money to piracy that they're completely unwilling to take risks on signing independent artists anymore, and that's why you see so much carbon copied crap around and very little innovation.

Yeahhhhhhhhh
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 105 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:15:21 AM
7 years ago, you couldn't stream TV shows (free) or movies (paid subscriptions) online legally. 10 years ago you couldn't download 1-2 songs, legally, because you liked that one track as opposed to the whole cd. piracy has pushed corporations to evolve with recent technology, it may not be pretty, but it HAS created results.

I don't think that piracy had anything to do with the change in times, it was just time itself. It is what happens, 7 years ago most of the stuff online that was subscription service was still pirated material, hell I catch Wal-mart selling bootleg dvds all the time in their $1 bins. Piracy has been around for longer than you guys think. You couldn't do many of these things because it was illegal (it still is today, unless you use netflix or hulu or something.) Most companies are slow when it comes to making huge decisions like switching from dvd to streaming. Youtube is probably what helped more than anything to get streaming movies and tv shows.

chrn368
Male, 18-29, Western US
 173 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:10:55 AM
"Where can I send the bill for the consumed diskspace and bandwith?" You mean for the material that doesn't belong to you and you're stealing in the first place? These guys should be in prison. Mr. Megaupload is down. Not much longer for the rest of them. I found it hilarious too that when that douche got arrested you started seeing willing and extremely vigilant copyright infringement take downs on every major website on the planet, and bridog is right. That's fine if it's a hobby and your okay with writing/making your poetry/songs/films in your mom's garage forever that only your 100 lame friends will ever listen to/watch. I've worked in the music industry, anyone who supports copyright infringement is either completely irrelevant and usually gone in a year or two and is using it as a statement to get more people to buy their merch/go to shows (because they don't sell any albums anyway) or they're already really established artists who don't need major advertising anymore.

Yeahhhhhhhhh
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 105 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:05:33 AM
Quote:Pirating IS stealing. By pirating a thing you have deprived them of the money they would make selling it to you. That's as ridiculous as claiming that piracy is pure goodness and enlightenment. End Quote

This makes no sense to me, because this is basically what the fight against piracy is about. Sure they might still make some money off of it, but compare this to all the money they could be making if piracy was not around.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:58:20 AM
Pirating IS stealing. By pirating a thing you have deprived them of the money they would make selling it to you.


That's as ridiculous as claiming that piracy is pure goodness and enlightenment.

Both sides are equally guilty of exaggerating every aspect of their position to such an extent that they make ludicrous caricatures of themselves.

Nobody only pirates things that they would otherwise have bought brand new, full price on release day. That's an utterly ludicrous statement to make. It's not just spectacularly ignorant of reality, it's ridiculously impossible. Your argument relies on the assumption that everyone has practically infinite money. You may not even realise that, but it's true. People routinely pirate stuff with an alleged value in excess of their entire disposible income for years - it's delusional to claim they would have bought it all if they didn't pirate it.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:41:44 AM
That is not pirating. If you have already paid for it you can download it all you like, even if it's an unauthorized source, and it is 100% legal.


You are wrong on every point in that paragraph.

Pirating the contents of a disc to replace a damaged disc that you have already paid for is still piracy and it's still illegal.

You haven't paid for the game and you haven't bought anything - you'd rented a license to be granted permission to play the game subject to whatever restrictions the publisher (not the developer and certainly not the people working for the dev who actually made the game) decides to place on you.

Replacing damaged media for free rather than paying more money to the publisher is not something they give you permission to do, so it's piracy and illegal.

That's essentially what many customers are complaining about - not being able to *buy* games at any price.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11508 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:11:52 AM
EA makes plenty of money. The Pirate Bay puts the games in more people's hands. I have no issue with what TPB does in relation to games.

IRockYeah
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2460 Posts
Sunday, May 06, 2012 2:25:56 AM
Go check out their other responses to legal threats. Hi-larry-us.

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