 HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 384 Posts
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Friday, June 01, 2012 1:26:35 AM
@lawndartsftw: My dad is Roman Catholic. And divorced. And remarried. To someone else who divorced her husband.
So... yeah. |
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 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
5420 Posts
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Friday, May 04, 2012 3:24:35 PM
Being gay is an abomination in the bible so... |
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 lawndartsftw
Male, 40-49, Canada
1815 Posts
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Friday, May 04, 2012 6:26:02 AM
@HiEv. The Catholics are fairly strict regarding divorce, if I'm not mistaken.... |
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 photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
767 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:42:13 PM
superstitious feelings, runnin' round in my head . . . |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17496 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:59:20 PM
Ah! Thanks @HiEv and @Angilion!
You know, I've quarreled with both of you before, but I consider you to be nice guys! I'm glad the interwebs have made it possible for distant peoples to come together.
Mushy = me!
Back to the topic at hand:
YES! I for one believe Jesus was married, probably to Mary but possibly to Martha, and John 11 is one of the reasons why.
IF MARY (and Martha) were sitting shiva (performing the death rituals) for Lazarus, they'd be forbidden to leave the house, yet Martha goes out to greet Jesus?
The ONLY person a woman sitting shiva can go out to greet is her father OR her husband.
#2: There was a Nazarine Ritual (Jesus of Nazareth, remember?) whereby a person was "dead and buried" and a "holy man" would "ressurect him" after 3 days (apx).
Really, I don't make this stuff up!
Many of Jesus's "miracles" have common sense explainations. |
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
384 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:00:30 PM
The funny thing is, that Jesus had very definite things to say about divorce. According to Mark 10:11-12 Jesus said, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." (Also Matthew 5:31-32.)
Funny how Christians are willing to overlook the words of Jesus in that case though, eh?
@LillianDulci: Regarding the shellfish and Jesus thing, in Mark 7:18-19 and Matthew 15:10-11 Jesus declares that food will not make you unclean.
@5Cats: The one Jesus loved appears to be Lazarus. See John 11:3 and 11:36. (This gets even more homoerotic if you read the version of Lazarus' resurrection in the Secret Gospel of Mark, which may be the basis for John's account.) |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 9:19:12 PM
There is much talk of "the disciple whom Jesus loved" but WHO was it? Anyone know?
I'll throw another cat amongst the pigeons and suggest Mary. |
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lawndartsftw
Male, 40-49, Canada
1815 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:09:44 PM
Forgive me for paraphrasing from the Gospel, I too have had a long day, but, as I recall, Jesus spoke to the issue of marriage in the manner of "A man shall leave his parents, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh". Man joins woman = marriage, and this union takes precedence over previous family allegiances. In regards to same-sex marriage, well, its like the cartoon, right ?? Nothing in the New Testament ascribed to Jesus... |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17496 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:57:10 PM
@LillianDulci: I seem to recall that Jesus said all foods were OK now, but am too tired to look it up. It's iirc.
For Jews of that era, there were Laws (Don't murder people!) and 'rules' (don't eat pork!). The arguement goes:
"Jesus changed the rules, but you still have to follow God's laws".
SO: Animal sacrifice? A rule that Jesus amended.
No gay sex? A Law we still have to obey.
(not saying I believe this, it's what some people believe! Not me!) |
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 LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2696 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:43:09 PM
"but it also should be kept in mind that neither did he say anything for it either, so as not to give weight to one side or another. "
In the OT, eating shellfish was called an abomination. As far as I know, Jesus did not say anything about shellfish being an abomination or not, and yet Christian's will say that shellfish rule was wiped out by Jesus. But when the same thing happens to being gay (condemned in OT, then not mentioned by Jesus at all) people still act like it's wrong. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17496 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:09:04 PM
@SapphireHeart: Actually Paul came after the Ressurection, eh? He 'met Jesus on the road' and turned from persicuting Christians to being one... except a lot of people at the time thought he was full of poo...
John 13:21-28
Read this! And tell me Jesus doesn't SEEM a little bit gay in the Bible?
There is much talk of "the disciple whom Jesus loved" but WHO was it? Anyone know? |
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 TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
1222 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:29:52 PM
This is true, but it also should be kept in mind that neither did he say anything for it either, so as not to give weight to one side or another.
Jesus said "Love one another, as i have loved you", and a good example of him is in John 7:53-8:11 |
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 SapphireHart
Female, 18-29, Europe
414 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:26:58 PM
Just to clarify I think the general consensus is that Paul (good friend and follower of Jesus wrote it as part of a letter). |
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SapphireHart
Female, 18-29, Europe
414 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:25:15 PM
This is funny. To clarify to Christians and non Christians alike I don't know of Jesus ever condemning being gay. However one passage that, for lack of a better word "condemns" the acts of homosexuality (note that it doesn't condemc being gay itself, just acting on it) is: Romans 1 v26-27 (or for the whole section 20-30). No it wasn't Jesus who said it, but it's in the bible. Now can we stop arguing about it? |
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 turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
1955 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:04:46 PM
Soooo much to say on this topic. But it is a complete waist of time to convice anyone of faith that they may be wrong. They don't need proof to believe what they believe. Keep fightin the good fight Gerry10f1...but like I said, the religous fools (organized religon, that is)have their mind made up, and for some reason they feel the need to make everyone follow and believe the same. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9512 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:54:44 PM
there ARE passages in the bible where homosexuality is condemned
You have no idea how those passages have been deliberately misinterpreted and mistranslated. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9512 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:52:55 PM
Yes I know that, but I honestly think most Canadian political parties would have no problem forcing churches to do things.
...and yet you say Canadian politics is boring? |
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 Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
2696 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:20:40 PM
there are squares missing |
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 collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3521 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:49:29 AM
patchgrabber: Touche. I have been slain! It's growing ever so dark...tell my ma...I love her...
for the record if you are gay then suck on :| idgaf either way. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:39:51 AM
but...there ARE passages in the bible where homosexuality is condemned...
Yes, just before the passage that condems shell fish but after the one that condems mixing fibers in your garments. {Poly-Cotton blend? SINFUL!}
Funny how the New Testament is for christians but
the Old Testament is for the rest of us. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:31:03 AM
but...there ARE passages in the bible where homosexuality is condemned...
Red herring. The point of contention is that Jesus HIMSELF didn't say anything about it. That there are passages in the Bible condemning it are irrelevant unless they are the explicit words of Jesus. |
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 Buiadh
Male, 18-29, Europe
6651 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:18:12 AM
Not going to get into this one.
But lol@furry jeebus. |
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collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3521 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:17:31 AM
but...there ARE passages in the bible where homosexuality is condemned...
PLEASE FFS IF YOU ARE GOING TO ARGUE SOMETHING KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING... |
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mcboozerilla
Male, 30-39, Europe
649 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 9:57:30 AM
Silence is golden. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Thursday, May 03, 2012 9:47:42 AM
evanbartlett - technically you are correct about religion and law. But the reality is the religious conservatives relable their faith as a some other platform. Example, they can't teach the Bible's creationism in public schools so they invented "Intelligent Design" which is the same damn thing.
The only arguement they have agains gay marriage is faith-based so they have to label it 'morality' and 'tradition' but it's still their religioius ideologies with a differant wrapper. |
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