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Is Libertarianism An Extremely Dangerous Fad?

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Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 410 Posts
Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:10:02 AM
@ cityncolour

Libertarianism does not automatically remove corruption from government, nor does it prevent decisions that are made elsewhere from affecting you. All it does is change the people who are making those decisions from the government to businesses. Free from "suffocating regulation", power companies will be free to pump nasty crap into your wonderful Nebraska air. With no "unenforceable laws" mining companies will be free to fill your rivers with run off.

No free market system could ever stop large companies from doing w/e the fark they want. They simply buy up any competition and leave you with none of the choices that espouse will solve everything.

Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 410 Posts
Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:57:58 AM
@ Cajun247

I see you've been drinking the free market koolaid. What's missing from your calculations is Monopolies. Monopolies occur naturally in a free market and wipe out competition.

You might argue that people can choose not to use such a companies product. Sure, go ahead and go without electricity, running water, or internet. Let's see how long you prosper in this modern society with out those things.

Free market is a false choice. As the guy explained in the video, profit motives will always win out and big businesses will simply consolidate their power and exercise control over just about everything.

cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 379 Posts
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:49:27 AM
@Gerry1of1

i generally enjoy your views and comments however, i must disagree.

"It's a political "every man for himself" philosophy."

this is not true. maybe as far as individual freedoms and privacy, there is some truth to that statement. however, as far as a "political" and "societal" aspects libertarianism is simply the united sates as it was designed. a country free from uniform policies of suffocating regulations and unenforceable laws. a country free from tariffs and grand corruption. a country where over-privileged, overpaid, and out of touch politicians of D.C. do not make decisions for me in nebraska.

cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 379 Posts
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:37:31 AM
also... the libertarian party is the only true and equal party. liberal socially, conservative fiscally. live and let live; i work for what i get. pretty simple and fair if you ask me. it promotes responsibility instead of this society of blameless finger pointers that we have now. it promotes self-sufficiency as opposed to the welfare state that we find ourselves in. it promotes sound money as opposed to the current decline of our currency and runaway inflation. the question should be; how are more NOT on board?

cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 379 Posts
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:29:41 AM
trying to explain a "problem" that you clearly don't understand is laughable at best.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1378 Posts
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:01:06 AM
You fool.

Under Libertarianism, the government doesn't have enough power to sell.

Don't you people get it? THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T SELL POWER IT DOESN'T HAVE.

You keep giving the government more power, then weep and wail when people try to influence it?

Riya043
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 7 Posts
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:14:28 AM
nice video .!

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1709 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:40:22 PM
I'm not a libertarian, nor do I agree with much of what they believe. But this guy speaks in generalities and is often mistaken and biased. Pure modern sophistry.

Fancysucksss
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1051 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:53:10 PM
This guy listens to afi... damn it.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:28:26 PM
Barriers to entry are often lobbied for by the corporations to make it easier for them to keep their market share, that's true. The taxi medalion for example should be abolished. But most regulations do not fall under this category, unless they also serve a purpose, like mandatory food hygiene education for employees at restaurants to prevent food poisoning.

Amurika
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 282 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:09:40 PM
This is your typical jackass whose doped up on television.

alibi19
Male, 18-29, Western US
 73 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:18:04 PM
As a libertarian, this convoluted POS video isn't even worth a proper response. If you want to understand libertarian economic policies go read FA Hayek and stop listening to MSNBC...drater.

paco664
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 159 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:14:46 PM
just another idiot with a webcam...... this guy should stfu and go back to tending his weed crop and drating his sister...

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:15:49 AM
"Perhaps there was a collusion going on. It's not like companies that aren't regulated won't all increase prices to make a buck. Corporations have no benevolent motives, their job is to maximize profits."

Yes, that was exactly the problem. The entire population got screwed and there was a huge outcry to bring the regulation back. And that's in San Diego, which is traditionally a more conservative (for California) city.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5670 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:56:53 AM
...and she didn't try to switch companies?

Perhaps there was a collusion going on. It's not like companies that aren't regulated won't all increase prices to make a buck. Corporations have no benevolent motives, their job is to maximize profits.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10205 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:28:36 AM
Electric bills skyrocketed as the corporations tried to gouge the consumers as much as possible


...and she didn't try to switch companies?

You need the government to regulate certain things


Not in a way that scares competitors away that's why prices are high (and wages are low).

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10205 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:26:21 AM
Since the large corporations have enormous economic power


Such power can only be sustained of you have government imposed barriers to entry like many regulations are. Even companies support those regulations to protect their market share.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:56:34 AM
"Why is freedom despicable?"

You really twisted what I said. What I find despicable is the every man for himself extreme and the trust that the market will police itself. Sure, companies will police one another under a libertarian government, but that doesn't mean they'll do what's fair for the consumer.

In the late 1990s, when I lived with my parents in San Diego, the city voted to deregulate the power companies. Guess what happened? Electric bills skyrocketed as the corporations tried to gouge the consumers as much as possible. Our bill more than tripled in a couple months. You need the government to regulate certain things.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:52:46 AM
@randomxnp: I can't really speak for your danish friends, but my guess is that it's because danish people generally suck.. (I'm faroese, so i might be a bit biased). I honestly don't like this place either. But there's no getting around the fact that Denmark as a society works very well, despite it being extremely socialist by american standards..

As for the corporatist/statist pseudo-capitalism: That's not how he defined libertarianism. What he said was that if american government adopts libertarian principles, it would very quickly turn into a corporation controled system, because not only would people have the freedom to prosper, the corporations would also have the freedom to exploit the people to an extreme degree. Since the large corporations have enormous economic power, the public couldn't do much to oppose them, and viola.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5670 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:22:11 AM
This guy makes some weird comparisons, not sure how an axle is like a person...

Also, capitalism itself isn't the whole problem, neither is it the originator of corruption. Roman senate was corrupt, or look at any royalty in any country's history. Money does tend to corrupt more though, in the sense of more people being corrupted, but that could also be a product of modern governments being larger than historical ones.

He's apparently the product of our dismal liberal public education system.

Kinda funny how things like education and science have an inherently liberal bias, but at least you guys have the bias on greed.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10205 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:55:59 AM
Now imagine how bad they would be with absolutely NO restrictions on what they can do.


Sure the system is rigged, unfortunately rigging it more "to equalize" just gives the wealthy elite more power over you.

Sounds like freedom, but it has no protections either. The big corporation is free to walk all over you.


Anything government can't deal with an open market can address with a swift, brutal damage to profit margins.

Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1079 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:19:23 AM
No rights and poo hours? Sounds like my first job. If there were no government standards every electric company would have different sockets for appliances. !00$ adapters everywhere.
So this guy has a point or two. Realy successfull governments are on the fence balancing right and left. Too much of either is bad.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10205 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:18:04 AM
This rant is filled with inconsistencies, and misconceptions.

Fu<k you too hater. Up yours and swivel on it.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33872 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:04:20 AM

@ randomxnp
"Why is that bad."

Undeer the current system, corporations have bought and paid for the governement. Now imagine how bad they would be with absolutely NO restrictions on what they can do. With no regulations or limitations of any kind. Your daily wage is noe $2. You have no housing codes and live in a fire trap. Your 10 year old has a job because you cannot afford to buy school for him.

Libertarian party does not believe in any restrictions on your ability to "prosper" or make a profit. Sky's the Limit. Sounds like freedom, but it has no protections either. The big corporation is free to walk all over you. You are free to stop him, if you can, but the government will not get involved.

I call that 'bad'.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1494 Posts
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:59:57 AM
"When the axle of your car has the freedom to break off while you're driving down the GD road....."



Really? Mom was right. You can't fix stupid.

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