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If I Wanted America To Fail...

Hits: 9870 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: DromEd
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 389 Posts
Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:48:31 PM
Is it just me, or are the vast majority of facts against 5Cats, CrakrJak, McGovern1981, and eddy666 dismissed for purely ad hominem-type reasons?

eddy666: "The title of that article is just as propaganda".

Care to comment on the CONTENT of that article? Of course not.

CrakrJak: "'Media Matters' is another George Soros front group, not unlike 'Moveon.org'. It has ZERO credibility.".

That doesn't mean that it's wrong. Free Market America has less than zero credibility, but others have explained errors in this video anyways. So what errors are there on the site I linked to?

Anyone can simply dismiss something, that doesn't explain/prove it's wrong.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:41:15 AM
...and first dibs on proprietary tech.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:40:59 AM
Sorry @patchy, from 0:55 on he's clearly saying how the 'fail folks' talk.

Well if he's saying this is how proponents of climate change put forth their argument then they're doing it wrong.

Current 'alge tech' uses SO MUCH water it's unimaginable! And I don't think they can use seawater either.

And WHO do you think is researching all these new technologies? Yes, it's the oil companies.


The water usage of algae tech depends on the type of growth system you use. Raceway ponds don't use a whole lot, and rain helps replenish it. I've worked with 1000L photobioreactors as well, and I can tell you that the water is recycled. There are many different methods of extracting algal oil, right now one of the most interesting is using electromagnetic waves to flocculate and lyse the cells, and some companies even claim the cells are still viable after this. You are correct that oil companies do lots of the research though, but that's for tax breaks a

spacemermaid
Female, 18-29, Western US
 85 Posts
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 4:53:31 AM
ugh this was pretentious

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4158 Posts
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 2:53:48 AM
It's funny coz it's true

i-am-evil
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 500 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:36:15 PM
He says something about powering our factories on wind. We could only do that in places where there is enough space, and enough wind.

wake_n_bake
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 657 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:07:21 PM
Well this video wasn't biased at all.

ctobin34
Male, 18-29, Western US
 66 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 7:05:53 PM
refreshing

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21918 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:39:09 PM
(waits patiently for @Baalthy to apologise...)

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21918 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:37:43 PM
@LillianDulci: If ALL of the USA's food crops were used to make 'biofuels' it still wouldn't be enough to replace oil, by a long ways.
And half the planet would starve...

Current 'alge tech' uses SO MUCH water it's unimaginable! And I don't think they can use seawater either.

And WHO do you think is researching all these new technologies? Yes, it's the oil companies. You think they're blind idiots? THEY KNOW where the money is! If there's a way to make a buck, they'll find it!!!
It's called 'free market'. It used to exist...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21918 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:33:08 PM
Sorry @patchy, from 0:55 on he's clearly saying how the 'fail folks' talk. I remember the New Ice Age scare!

@mackin: If wind and solar are "free" than why do they cost 2X or 3X as much? Why do billions of tax dollars get handed out to companies? Who then go bankrupt?
Under Germany's "solar initiative" their electric rates have DOUBLED and solar & wind still only porovide a tiny % of their electric power.
Not nice.

cody123100
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 21 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:58:10 PM
This video was a terrible propaganda piece. It didn't even try to bring science into the equation because the science disagrees with virtually everything that was stated. It was a clear attempt at a silver-tounged devil approach to convincing voters.

No surprise that this was funded by a Florida PAC which recieved significant funding contributions from loggers, energy companies, and realtors who would just love to tear a path through any piece of land they can and be damned with the consequences.

mackin
Male, 30-39, Western US
 211 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:38:10 PM
It's interesting that he uses "energy" as a codeterm for oil, and while implying he wants cheap energy sources, he ignores solar and mocks wind- which are free, safe, and abundant.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:14:30 PM
HE isn't using those terms improperly

Um...yes he is. Global warming is the rise in global temperature, whereas climate change, as the name suggests, refers to the changes in the global climate which result from the increasing average global temperature. For example, changes in precipitation patterns, increased prevalence of droughts, heat waves, and other extreme weather, etc.

If he's saying that the proponents of global warming and climate change are saying this then he's a liar. How come whenever there's a cold winter people always say "global warming is a hoax, look how cold it's been!" That's like saying stock prices aren't crashing because it's gone up a penny on one day.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:08:40 PM
WHAT A LOAD BUUUUUULLLLLPOO! If you Americans start believing in most of what this dude said, then yeah you will fail and everyone else will laugh on. Such a load of propaganda turd that people watch.
This guy is totally fudging his pants about China haha

we_suffer
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 1:22:57 PM
Capitalist propaganda. The worst kind of capitalism.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 1:21:46 PM
"It's that FOUR TIME THE COST part, that's not 'fine'."

Tbh this isn't really a valid argument. Pretty much anything that's newly discovered/invented is going to be much more expensive than anything that's been known about and produced for quite a while. Just because it's more costly now doesn't mean it'll always be more costly, it's just a matter of gaining support and development for the new ideas rather than throwing tons of money at old ideas and ignoring or disregarding other possibilities.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21918 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 12:26:13 PM
The Navy and soon other branches of the military use BIOFUELS made from algae for their jets and ships.

@thubanstar: The US Navy recently started experimenting with biofuels in one ship. It's cost them more than 4X for fuel thus far, but works fine.
It's that FOUR TIME THE COST part, that's not 'fine'.

the terms "global warming" with "climate change"

@patchy: He said when it gets hot out that's "global warming" and when it gets cold it's "climate change". HE isn't using those terms improperly, he's saying the 'other side' is misusing them.
And it's true!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 12:11:29 PM
P.S. My degree came from learning how to properly light a fart in college!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 12:10:26 PM
Oh ya well I have a Ph.D. in gastrointestinal bio fuel and think we can power the world on farts and fart smelling methane products!! Go green with your brown!!!!!!

sssfdg
Male, 18-29, Canada
 190 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:33:25 AM
Well this is an obvious one sided presentation. Such blantent conservative talking points masked with an over produced video.

Yes I think oil is a terrible resource to exploit. It has all kinds of advantages that are just being wasted by unnecessarily burning the resource on your commute.

It's sickening to think that the advancement of engery technology is being nerfed by powerful lobbyists, greedy drats, ignorant folks who somehow cannot learn from their experiences. Talk to the people on the gulf coast and ask them if oil is really worth the value we put on it.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:39:13 AM
@thubanstar: Biofuels from algae is actually my field of research and I have published papers on algal biofuels, and I definitely agree with you. The whole of industry is set to convert to biofuels eventually, it's the only logical course of action. After all, the first diesel engines were made to run on peanut oil as far back as 1900.

thubanstar
Female, 40-49, Southern US
 800 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:11:18 AM
CrakrJak,

My boyfriend is getting a Ph.D. in Environmental Science. He has done a lot of research of biofuels, and GUESS WHAT? The Navy and soon other branches of the military use BIOFUELS made from algae for their jets and ships.

You get over it. Gas will be a thing of the past eventually. It will either go peacefully, or with a lot of drama and B.S., unfortunately, looks like the second choice is going to happen.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:05:17 AM
Watched until he compared the terms "global warming" with "climate change" in terms of the relative temperature. The name wasn't changed, they both mean different things and have both been used in scientific literature for decades. The notion that these terms were "changed" is the type of uninformed nonsense I'd expect from skeptics.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16145 Posts
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:03:01 AM
Baal: I'm just supposed to believe a .pdf file from a notorious environmental hippie law group without question? I think NOT.

Do you think that an oil company that erects windmills, invests in co-generation, invests in solar technology, etc... should be excluded from subsidies, that so called 'green energy' companies get, just because their main business is oil?

Go ahead, I dare you democrats to remove those subsidies. Green energy would die very quickly without such investment from the oil companies, because they won't invest in them without the subsidies. So go ahead, shoot yourself in the foot.

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