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Hits: 13896 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: Misc. | Added by: jendrian
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:01:57 AM
(For those reading along, we are talking about Matthew 19:16-28 if you want to read the passage yourself.)

Bob: You still stuck your foot in your mouth, but you'll never admit it. Jesus' command was to a rich man that wanted to become his disciple, not to every Christian on earth. I'm not a disciple, preacher or evangelist and don't wish to be.


The man did not ask to become Jesus' disciple either. He just asked "What good thing must I do to get eternal life?". He just wanted to know what to do to get into heaven.

And Jesus reiterates TWICE (Matthew 19:23-24) that is is very difficult for a rich person to get into heaven. He talks in the general case - about anyone, NOT just specifically this man. You can tell he is talking in general terms from the reaction of the other disciples (Matthew 19:25).

The passage just doesn't say what you claim it says. Jesus was talking in the general case, as an instruction to everyone.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 8:14:37 PM
"You're being idiotic over a minor detail."

Crakr:

I don't consider the first amendment a minor detail. A sentence can be changed be removing 1 word and you removed 9, and then you minimize your dishonesty. You are not a libertarian. You are the worst kind of threat to freedom, a person who truly values freedom fights for the freedom of those he disagrees with.

And of course after claiming your re-writing of the first amendment was based on Supreme Court Cases and you were asked to list 1 you couldn't. You make a lot of claims and rarely back them up, and when you do try to it is often by lying.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 7:16:53 PM
relax man, forgiving is a christian thing is it not?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 6:45:51 PM
Otto: You're being idiotic over a minor detail. That's nothing new for you, You've taken pains to try and discredit anyone you can that way. Quibbling, like that, just makes you a disingenuous pest. Grow up.

jendrian: I see your being just as disingenuous as Otto. Being an annoying pest is a sport for you, perhaps you need to get out more and find something to do other than the mental masturbation you're doing now.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05:47 PM
@CrakrJak: Metaphors are always nice; atheists (and christians, muslims, buddhists, et al) can also see the whole tree, it's not only god that realizes the limitations of your physical being and the extent of your free will. Religion is more like chopping the tree and fastening it to your car, where you're bound by the decision of the driver, instead of leaving the tree to branch out next to other trees with true freedom.

You can even extend the analogy further: every tree in the lot that's picked by a driver feels like they're on the path to something better, that after being chopped and sold by some figure who claims to understand the true path of trees, he will end up on ever-lasting happiness; but alas, you'll be dressed up silly for a week and wither faster than the other trees in the forest.

Hey, don't take it literally, you're not a tree

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 9:29:45 AM
"What I typed is the law and is in the written opinions of various supreme court decisions."

No it's not, name one.

You already have shown a complete lack of understanding of the 'Lemon Test' what of other Supreme Court decision are you going to misrepresent?

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 9:26:52 AM
Otto: I typed it so that it was more succinct, easier to understand, not because I disliked any portion of it.

Crakr:

This is another lie. In the same post that you edited the first amendment, you quoted the 'Lemon test' ruling of the Supreme Court as it refers to the Establisment Clause. That verbage is a WORD FOR WORD cut and paste off of Wikipedia's "FIRST AMENDMENT" page. So you edited what the First Amendment said on purpose, the funny thing is you put it in quotes and used the exact same words, you just left out significant words and made it seem that religion had more protection than it had. You did it on purpose to make it fit your argument and did not think anyone would notice.

9 out 22 is almost 50%.... that is not me nitpicking, that is proof of your dishonesty.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 8:44:17 AM
[cont]

I believe, but can't prove, that a simple way of understanding it is like looking at a newly bought live Christmas tree bundled in a net and ready to be brought home.

We are limited, for instance I'll never walk on Mars or grow wings and fly like a bird. We have freewill but we'll still end up in the same place, the grave. We jump from branch to branch without even knowing it, God sees the whole tree, we do not.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 8:38:21 AM
Bob: You still stuck your foot in your mouth, but you'll never admit it. Jesus' command was to a rich man that wanted to become his disciple, not to every Christian on earth. I'm not a disciple, preacher or evangelist and don't wish to be.

I'm assuming I'm not a brain in a jar, because I have no evidence to suggest I am, and anyway it's unprovable.


But you still believe somethings based on assumptions that you can not prove, that is in no way different than my faith in Jesus Christ.

The existence of an omniscient being logically precludes the possibility of free will.


God exists outside of time. You see time like an every branching tree of time lines, God sees them quite differently.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 8:25:27 AM
Otto: I didn't rewrite anything, I didn't quote it exactly, that I'll admit. I typed it so that it was more succinct, easier to understand, not because I disliked any portion of it.

Anal retentive much? What I typed is the law and is in the written opinions of various supreme court decisions.

What's the difference if you type, "That woman was driving a Volve, yellow in color, like a bat out of hell" or "A yellow Volvo was being driven like a bat out of hell, by that woman" ?

It means the same thing, so quit being a pernicious nitpicker.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 3:41:59 AM
Comparing me to some radical muslim, really ?

How is the muslim in jkfld's post "radical"? The muslim he described:

If his parents had been Muslims he'd be just as adamant about the "truth" of Islam and just as certain about the punishment awaiting all those who reject Allah.


That's just someone who believes, a devout muslim - not a radical one who blows up foreign embassies.

If we tweak it to talk about a Christian:
If his parents had been Christians he'd be just as adamant about the "truth" of Christianity and just as certain about the punishment awaiting all those who reject Jesus.

It very accurately describes the beliefs of yourself and the vast majority of devout Christians - not radical Christians who blow up abortion clinics.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 3:32:35 AM
Being omniscient does not mean He has chosen what we will do, just that He knows in advance what we will do.

A-ha! I was hoping someone would mention this.

The existence of an omniscient being logically precludes the possibility of free will. Bonus points if you see why, since the explanation will probably take more than 1000 characters.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 3:29:21 AM
You can't prove that you're not just a brain in a jar somewhere. Nor can you prove what is good or evil. See even as an atheist you do make assumptions based on beliefs you can not prove.

True. But if I were a brain in a jar, or living in the Matrix, or in a dream within a dream within a dream, I would have no way of knowing. And what would really be the difference?

I'm assuming I'm not a brain in a jar, because I have no evidence to suggest I am, and anyway it's unprovable. That seems to be the logic you're encouraging me to use.
Unfortunately that's the same logic that leads me to reject all god claims, including yours - I have no evidence to suggest any god claim is true, and god claims tend to be untestable or unproveable anyway (ignoring LostInKorea's very valid point about testing the biblical prayer claims).

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 3:21:47 AM
Bob: I currently live on $700 a month, that's about as poor as poor gets and still be able to afford internet and a roof over my head.

You seem to be forgetting the entire continent of Africa, large portions of Asia, and some parts of South America.
If you can afford internet, you are not poor.

And in any event, Jesus' command doesn't account for your personal situation (another reason why it's ridiculous). He just instructs you to sell everything you have.

maybe you should be thankful for what you have, as I do, and not wish poverty on people you disagree with.

Believe me, I am very thankful that we are both lucky enough to have been born into privileged societies, and I absolutely am not wishing poverty on you. I don't want you to sell everything you have and give it to the poor.
Your god does.

LilyLily
Female, 18-29, Australia
 90 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:42:51 PM
Crakr, sometimes I find your posts interesting, so no offence meant, but it's awfully refreshing to have some of your BS called out.

Also, the Muslim thing seems to be/is a parallel, not a comparison. Ie, "In this situation" not "YOU ARE THIS". Don't overreact. :|

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25760 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:41:29 PM
If God came from a race of Gods it seems we got the dick.


Thank you @madest for your usual, inciteful, thoughtful and utterly useless opinion.

Now be a good boy and go smoke some more pot! Quietly. Away from the keyboard...

And un-tuck your shirt! People will think you've murdered someone!!! For crying out loud.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:10:55 PM
"Don't even pretend that you know me. I'm on the libertarian side, not the authoritarian side."

If you'd read the book you'd know it addresses the *psychological phenomenon of the authoritarian personality*, not political affiliation. There's a test in there. Why don't you take it?

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:52:45 PM
"We must live by laws and those laws are instituted by majority vote."

Crakr:

Laws are voted on by our representatives and if they violate the Bill of Rights they are struck down by the Courts so therefore a law that intrudes on the rights of the individual as defined in the Bill of Rights does not apply no matter what the majority votes for.


Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:44:57 PM
Crakr you are a liar, here is what you quoted the first amendment to say on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:48:50 PM (I saved it because I knew you would later deny it).

"Congress shall make no law establishing religion or abridging the free expression thereof...".

Here is what the first amendment actually says

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech"

You cut out what you didn't like, there are 22 words in that section and you cut out 9. That is re-writing the first amendment.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:29:13 PM
lol, CrakrJak seriously? That's all you need? Then what's with all the other mumbo jumbo about morals and ethics?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:26:46 PM
jendrian: Don't be coy, I've already stated many times here on IAB what I believe, and the Bible says, that ones name is written in the book of life when they accept Jesus as their personal savior and that is all that's necessary.

You're purposely being fallacious, quit being a troll.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17175 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:21:04 PM
Otto: I wouldn't dream of re-writing the first amendment.

Libertarians don't believe the majority should rule over the individual when it comes to personal liberty.


You're confusing libertarianism with anarchism. We must live by laws and those laws are instituted by majority vote. My personal liberty ends if my fist meets your nose, for example. We all must still obey the laws of the land. If you don't like one of those laws you have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:20:58 PM
AMUUUURICA!

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2491 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:20:56 PM
@CrakrJak: So in all seriousness, do you believe there's a heaven you'll go to if you follow the rules of the bible? How do you know which interpretation of the bible is the one you ought to follow to get into heaven? There's parts of it that say you must sacrifice two lambs per day (in a very specific manner) to please god... (Exodus 29:31-43).

So if some parts of the supposed word of god you ignore in order to be civilized, how do you expect to get into heaven?

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:07:26 PM
Crakr:

Libertarians don't re-write the first amendment. Libertarians don't believe the majority should rule over the individual when it comes to personal liberty. Nice try.

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