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Zimmerman's Lawyers Call It Quits-'He's Gone AWOL'

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jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2333 Posts
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:40:59 PM
Zimmerman finally admitted to himself that he murdered an unarmed kid and lost it...tha tis the headline I hope to see out of this.

wibble4321
Male, 30-39, Asia
 295 Posts
Monday, April 16, 2012 10:47:08 AM
@patchgrabber "Technically it would be libel, but in either event you're correct. To be actually found guilty of either of them is nigh impossible, since you have to prove that the other person KNEW it was a lie when they said it."

Actually almost the opposite. You can be found guilty of libel if you make a statement about someone in the form of a fact when you do not have sufficient proof of that fact. i.e. passing rumors.

Typically the test then moves to how would the average person on the street interpret any statement or remark and was it damaging to the individual.

There is no defense against libel in saying Í thought it was true. If you make a statement of fact in writing the responsibility is on you to research that fact adequately.

On the internet the issue typically rest around the owner/operator of forums and areas with public comment and the moderation or censorship of potentially defaming statements on them. This is p

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:54:26 AM
Individuals on the internet cannot be accused of slander in the legal sense of the word.

Technically it would be libel, but in either event you're correct. To be actually found guilty of either of them is nigh impossible, since you have to prove that the other person KNEW it was a lie when they said it.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:08:23 PM
@LillianDulci The media, as far as I know, has not slandered Trayvon. Individuals on the internet cannot be accused of slander in the legal sense of the word.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24097 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:16:31 PM
@LillianDulci: WHO, anywhere, has "slandered" Saint Trayvon?

The MSM tried to hide the truth about him, is telling the truth "slander" these days?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24097 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:12:23 PM
Lets see: Hollywood types are Tweeting his "address"...
News stations are "editing" 911 tapes to make him sound like a racist...
A violent Black Rights group has a "dead or alive" bounty on him...
The "Race Baiters" have been calling for "Justice... or Else!" for some time now...

IS there a law that says he MUST stay in contact with the police? No? Well then, what has he done wrong?

I'm glad few IABers (so far) are suggesting that if he hides it means he's guilty. It means there's a "Dead Or Alive" bounty on his head! Pre-trial!

Remember the Duke Lacross Team? Same deal.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:09:31 PM
ivran, are you calling for an apology from all the people who have slandered Trayvon too?

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1502 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:09:26 PM

I bet the New Black Panthers have him right now. They are probably beheading him (because they are Islamic organization)

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:09:22 PM
I am a strong supporter of having this man arrested and prosecuted for the alleged crime. I'm not saying that he is guilty, but there does appear to be enough to reasonable try him. He was instructed (though not 'ordered') not to pursue Martin; he did and some sort of scuffle occurred which resulted in Martin's death at his hands. He should not be tried in a court of public opinion, but his actions directly led to the death of a person and it should be decided in a court of law.

Having said that, if any harm does come to him - by his own hand or through vigilantism - I would like to see the instigators (such as the NBPs) investigated and prosecuted, as well.

It is imperative that we live in a civil society that adheres to reasonable laws, to the best of our ability. Vigilantism of any sort - by Zimmermand or the NBPs or any other actors (including law enforcement officers - should not be tolerated. Period.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:40:32 PM
@patchgrabber Yea, it's going to happen at 6pm.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1509 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:35:12 PM
Weather he's guilty or innocent there are a lot of angry people out there who could and would do him harm. I don't see a problem with making myself scarce under these circumstances. Just be there to face the music if you're called upon.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:13:40 PM
@patchgrabber I've read that the prosecutor will call for his arrest later today.

Also, is Z-Booty actually 'missing' or is he just not willing to communicate with anybody? The two are different things. If he's missing, I think it's only fair to investigate the people who have illegally put a bounty on his head and got away with it(ironic, isn't it?). I do think it's a great possibility that a suicide is on the horizon, which in my opinion, should warrant an apology by the news media who has done nothing but slander this, as of right now, innocent man. They can hate on him all he wants if he gets convicted, but he has done nothing to put himself in front of the media, in fact, he has been avoiding it.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1379 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:07:51 PM
I'd hide too.

If I had an illegal bounty on my life, a political prosecutor after me (without a grand jury, hmm...) and every know-nothing lefty wanting to hang me before I even see a courtroom...bet your ass I'd hide.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24481 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:55:24 PM
What you misplaced him.... Hes probably in Mexico by now.. everyone flees to mexico dont they

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:50:15 PM
Was he issued a summons in lieu of arrest? An arrest requires fingerprinting, booking etc.

Enjin
Male, 30-39, Asia
 789 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:26:24 PM
No idea if the guy is guilty of some crime or not, but didn't he have a bounty put on his head? I'd be gone too if I was in his shoes. This is not surprising in the least.

ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2304 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:08:33 PM
running away like a guilty bitch

xXBrodieXx
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 57 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:02:46 PM
You are right Pink. Our system is so convoluted that the actual meaning of something has no bearing.

PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1197 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:56:11 PM
I think we are discussing different terms of arrest. The word itself by definition is exactly as you say. To be held still. In essence detained is arrested but it becomes relevant when an arrest looks bad on a record whereas being detained isn't even in the record.

PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1197 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:48:30 PM
An example is the Kony guy who was detained but not arrested.

PinkRhoid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1197 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:46:44 PM
It boils down to two things. Either a citizen is free to go, or they are detained which constitutes being under arrest.


Being detained is not synonymous with arrest. I will concede that cuffing is always indicative of an arrest by action. However, it does not always stick as an arrest in the books because of mistakes.

xXBrodieXx
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 57 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:46:25 PM
Right, once in court everything gets twisted. The difference in a felony and expungement here in the states usually depends on the accused ability to obtain large enough sums to pay good lawyers and fines.

maddux32
Male, 30-39, Western US
 900 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:44:58 PM
From Harris v. New York

"Miranda barred the prosecution from making its case with statements of an accused made while in custody prior to having or effectively waiving counsel. It does not follow from Miranda that evidence inadmissible against an accused in the prosecution's case in chief is barred for all purposes, provided of course that the trustworthiness of the evidence satisfies legal standards."

maddux32
Male, 30-39, Western US
 900 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:43:54 PM
A key outcome of the Cadder Case was that "the ruling states that confessions obtained by the police cannot be used as evidence at a trial, unless the suspect was allowed legal advice from a solicitor beforehand." (from the above link).

Thats interesting. When Miranda first came out I believe in 1967, the rule was similar. But the courts worried that the Miranda rule would be overly broad and affect police investigations in ways not intended by the Miranda Court. The impeachment exception has no bearing on a case if the defendant does not testify, which is why someone who is guilty is highly advised not to take the stand. When they do, it's all fair game.

maddux32
Male, 30-39, Western US
 900 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:40:14 PM
"You state that "A formal arrest is normally starts with a formal explanation to the detainee" yet in the "procedural guideline" guideline I posted it states "the detention of a person need not be accompanied by formal words of arrest or a station house booking to constitute an arrest." Slightly conflicting."

That is absolutely correct. Procedurally. However, pertaining to the admissibility of evidence, the formalities of the arrest have to be presented to the detainee (i.e., Miranda Warnings). As far as the present sense impression of the detainee, I agree, that an arrest and a detention are exactly the same. But how the courts see it, they are separate.

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