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Who Here Hates Gays. I Mean REALLY Hates Them?

Hits: 9479 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Science | Added by: fancylad
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Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:04:41 PM
"This is BS... For thousands of years it's wrong"

So for thousands of years slavery was accepted so therefore it should continue to be accepted? Get a better argument.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:17:06 PM
Whatever makes gay people feel better about themselves. My hypothesis is gay people are narcissistic and want all the attention brought to them that's why they are all flamboyant


Your hypothesis is based on a false predicate and is therefore false.

Maybe the gay people *who you notice and class as being gay* are all flamboyant, but there are many others who you don't notice and/or don't class as being gay. If you have an unremarkable interaction (e.g. walking past in the street, buying something in a shop, stuff like that) an average-looking man who is doing unremarkable things, you won't assume he's gay. That doesn't mean that he isn't.

Basically, most people are quite boringly ordinary regardless of their sexual orientation.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:20:04 PM
@Otto67 I thin the best way to determine the answer to that is by investigating different places and cultures where it is legal, what regulations they have in place, and what the general consensus is. Prostitution isn't a new fad. We have the advantage of being able to look at history, different cultures, and different countries for an appropriate response.

Grayvyn
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 8 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:19:59 AM
Are you kidding me?

This is BS... For thousands of years it's wrong and then some newfag like this guy comes in an makes some claims with NO PROOF on a YOUTUBE video.

Oh my gawwddd, there's not any proof and the only proof you can get from brain scans or psychology are easily, and I mean EASILY, leaned towards whatever angle you want.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:34:11 AM
ivran:

I am of the opinion that if something is illegal, society has no control over it. Of course it would need to be regulated, that would be the direct benefit. We will always have it, the question is do we want some form of control over it or leave it like it is now, illegal but readily available with no regulation.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:15:19 AM
does not*

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:14:33 AM
mean it should be banned, but I think it is safe to infer that there are more reasons people are against prostitution that just religious reasons. In Nevada, some believe legal prostitution brings unwanted crime.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:13:07 AM
@Otto67 While it does nothing to STOP the spread of STDs, it's quite possible that its legalization would add to the problem. Also, when I mentioned child abuse, I was suggesting that legalized prostitution might cause impoverished households to strongly encourage their teenagers(<18) to sell their bodies, possibly against their will. Now, I know that that would still be illegal, but with prostitution legalized, would a police officer still be able to investigate the situation based on looks or would he need some sort of probable cause that might be damn-near impossible to get? I'm not saying I'm completely opposed to a legal form of prostitution, but there is still a line. There is a difference between the heavily-regulated form of prostitution that is allowed in Nevada and completely allowing every woman who wants a quick buck to sell themselves on the street. Also, referring to Nevada, A LOT of Nevada is not happy with prostitution being legal. I know that in and of itself does n

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:44:18 AM
"So you're calling yourself a liar, I agree wholeheartedly, you are."

Crakr:

I have proof you are a liar, prove that I am one.

"You're an ass as an atheist as well, you're welcome."

You get what you give and what you give is sh*t, so that's what you get.

"But you believe that government laws should be used to support your morals, by forcing Christians to accept and to normalize perversions into our society."

Here is the crux of your position, if it is immoral for you, it should not be allowed because to do so would somehow infringe on YOUR rights. Freedom means allowing people do do things I don't necessarily agree with, like hiring a hooker, but since I support the freedom you then turn that into 'you want to bang hookers' in a poor attempt to try and gain some moral high ground. This is why people think you are a prick on here, you are dishonest literally and figuratively.

thosbeama74
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 17 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:38:47 AM
Whatever makes gay people feel better about themselves. My hypothesis is gay people are narcissistic and want all the attention brought to them that's why they are all flamboyant, hence becoming gay to bring attention to themselves where they would have it if the heterosexual.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:09:08 AM
Angilion as a gay man I know a little more on the subject than you.


You may well know more than me about irrational politics masquerading as rational argument, but that doesn't change what it is - irrational politics masquerading at rational argument.

Also, you appear to be assuming that I'm straight. I'm not. I'm bisexual, so I've had direct experience with irrational prejudice, including some that you haven't had any direct experience with. I've been on the sharp end of anti-homosexual prejudice (people who act that way don't differentiate between bisexual and homosexual) and anti-heterosexual prejudice (likewise) and some quite specific anti-bisexual prejudice. So, according to your own argument, I must know more about the subject than you do. Are you going to stay with that argument now?

PopCap
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 570 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:50:22 AM
Interesting theory. So, by that reasoning, a Klansman is actually black and a Black Panther is actually white. We need to get the two groups together, right now, and tell them everything is going to be OK.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17166 Posts
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:08:44 AM
Otto: Bible truth is subjective, and anyone who claims to know biblical truth is a liar. When I quote the bible those are the words that are written, my interpretation is pretty straight forward....


So you're calling yourself a liar, I agree wholeheartedly, you are.

I consider your assertion that I was a bad christian... a compliment, so thanks.


You're an ass as an atheist as well, you're welcome.

The gov't should not be used to support... your morals, equal treatment under the law.


But you believe that government laws should be used to support your morals, by forcing Christians to accept and to normalize perversions into our society. Just because you want to legally hire a hooker, doesn't mean it should be legalized. Sorry, you can't always get what you want, Get over it.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:04:33 PM
Ivran:

Making prostitution illegal does nothing to stop the spread of STDs, making it legal could possibly help curtail the child abuse issue. Murder is wrong because as you pointed it infringes on the rights of others and therefore transcends any religious basis. My point with Santorum is there are plenty of people who would love to trample on individual rights in pursuit of imposing their religious morality on the rest of us if allowed to do so and sometimes it happens. There are still states that have laws on the books that do not allow atheists to serve on juries and act as a witness in trials or hold political office. These laws are not followed because of Supreme Court rulings but they are still there.

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:55:47 PM
@Otto67
So, yea, I generally don't believe laws should be based on religious beliefs. However, I do occasionally make exceptions to that principle when it is a common belief to all religions, and when there are secular reasons and arguments for that law as well.(Such as murder - Christians, Muslims, etc. believe it is a major sin, and it interferes with others' rights. I know it's not the best example, but it'll have to do.)

ivran
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 599 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:53:40 PM
@Otto67 Santorum couldn't have changed the legality of porn no matter how much he wanted to, so I don't see the point in that. Also, the ban on prostitution may have originally been influenced by religion, that doesn't mean that it is still in place because of religion. Prostitution is viewed as a bad thing by most of American society(almost all religions view it this way and many atheists also do, as well), so if that is the case, then I don't really mind the fact that religion plays a role in the law, as long as an overwhelming(Note: I didn't say majority) amount of the American public agrees and that said law does not infringe on any individual's rights.

However, I don't believe that is the case with prostitution. There are a myriad of reasons for prostitution to be outlawed that have little to do with common religious beliefs(STDs, potential child abuse, etc.)


Edgarska19
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1052 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:44:42 PM
It's funny.
Because it's true.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:10:38 PM
"As if you minded you're own business coming after me."

Crakr:

Boo hoo, this is a public forum and if one gives an opinion others can counter said opinion, if I hurt your feelings and put down your "holy book" get over it but that is not what I am referring to when I said mind your own business.

I am referring to you and those who share your opinion that you should be allowed to use gov't laws to discriminate against others that you disagree with on moral grounds. If your church does not want to recognize gay marriage that is fine. If you and your church do not want to allow gay membership that is fine as well as that is YOUR business. The gov't should not be used to support your bigotry and your morals, equal treatment under the law. If you are so certain that your god has a problem with it let him deal with it, not the gov't.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:58:44 PM
Angilion as a gay man I know a little more on the subject than you. Trying to derail the point by throwing in other types of hate just shows you have no idea what the gay community goes through when they are raised to hate themselves.

Markust, Angilion can speak for himself of course, but in case he misses this thread, I'm pretty sure he's bisexual. He's also from the UK (as am I) where issues such as atheism and homosexuality are much less of a big deal than you have experienced in the US.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:55:57 PM
Crakr:

Well if lying makes you a good christian, you sir are a great one.

As far as purposely distorting the Bible you and your christian brethren are far better at it. Bible truth is subjective, and anyone who claims to know biblical truth is a liar. When I quote the bible those are the words that are written, my interpretation is pretty straight forward where as you have to mentally contort yourself to get around all the contradictions and immoral teachings. I was a bad christian because I didn't buy all of the rationalizing that one needs to do to be a "good" one and I consider your assertion that I was a bad christian because of it, a compliment, so thanks.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:55:49 PM
BUT, and here comes the rub. He has more man-bags than my wife has handbags, and more pairs of shoes than her too. He spends an hour every morning shaping his hair to look just right (think Justin Bieber). F*ck, he shaves his forearms before he goes on vacation, to give himself a more even tan. And his online identity (I won't give the whole thing away) is "LipGloss##" where ## is a number. And yep, he just recently moved out of my parent's basement at the age of 30. And no, he doesn't have a girlfriend.

Now, call me crazy, but I suspect my brother is so far back in the closet that he's in f*cking Narnia. Though I may have to defer to my good friend Gerry for final judgement on this one...

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:55:38 PM
Anecdotal evidence on this guy's claim, I admit.

I have two brothers, one is EXTREMELY homophobic. Yes, he's an evangelical Christian, but that's just for background. He thinks (literally) that all gays should be rounded up, put on an island somewhere, and re-run something akin to gladiatorial battles. He disowned his own best friend since toddler-hood of 20 years when his best friend came out as gay, and hasn't spoken to him since.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17166 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:21:41 PM
Otto: As if you minded you're own business coming after me. You've became the sanctimonious asshat when you purposely started distorting the Bible and claiming morally superiority because you're an atheist now. You were a piss poor Christian then and a hypocritical atheist now.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:30:30 PM
Angilion as a gay man I know a little more on the subject than you. Trying to derail the point by throwing in other types of hate just shows you have no idea what the gay community goes through when they are raised to hate themselves. I can't imagine how bad that would screw someone up. I am so glad I was raised in a loving and accepting family. I feel for the gays who are the product of hate.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:14:47 PM
@Ivran, I think laws against prostitution are based on religion, while there may be other reasons people justify those laws with, without religion I don't think it would be illegal. Selling is legal, sex is legal, selling sex should be legal. Porn is legal but there are people like Santorum who would change that, as well as take away other freedoms because of their religious convictions.

I am glad you agree laws based on religious ideals are a bad idea.

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