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ANOTHER Witness In Neighborhood Watch Shooting

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mrbrainiac2u
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 24 Posts
Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:25:36 AM
Racist murderer. If I stepped out to go to the store and some person started following me I wouldn't go to my home and let them see where I lived. I would stop and confront them as to why they were following me just like this kid did. This dude wasn't registered with the Neighborhood Watch program AND he had a gun and clearly wanted to use it so he followed the kid and provoked him into a conflict so he could shoot him. Premeditated MURDER.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:00:32 AM
jtrebowski: 'stand your ground' doesn't apply when your assailant is on top of you beating your face bloody and pounding your head into the sidewalk, at that point it's called self-defense.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:30:25 AM
CJ: Just so you know, the authors of the "Stand your ground law" (Republicans, I might add!) have stated bluntly that Anyone who is out pursuing and confronting people is not protected by this statute. Zimmerman should be arrested.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Thursday, March 22, 2012 2:59:05 AM
Finally, The Sanford PD has released the redacted partial police report of the incident, Here.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:35:39 PM
FoolsPrussia: Cited rumor and suspicion is still rumor and suspicion only now with added liberal spin. The media has lynched many people over the years, raked them over the coals, convicted them in the eyes of the world and never says sorry or pays for the damage they've done to innocent lives.

Let's allow a grand jury to do it's job based on the facts, not spin, not rumors and not suspicions after the incident.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:44:00 AM
Crakrjak: I know ThinkProgress is a liberal site, but everything there is cited. Read the linked articles. The truth is that this should not be a left/right issue. I also don't see evidence of a hate crime yet.

Still, Zimmerman needs to be investigated. This guy had a 100lb size advantage in a fight. You don't shoot someone after fighting with them, because Trayvon would have already demonstrated that he had a weapon. I can see little reason for Zimmerman to feel his life was threatened.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:56:08 AM
grindinblade: Zimmerman's account said Martin was running behind and through people's yards. Martin's GF says that Martin told her that he 'lost him'.

Now at this point, why didn't Trayvon just go home ? He'd 'lost' Zimmerman, why push your luck, stay outside and get 'found' by the 'creepy guy' again ?

As Johnnie Cochran once said, "if it doesn't fit you must acquit."

xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:22:46 AM
"Treyvon, the boy who let his father kiss him in public"

Did I just hear that? WTF???

xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:18:38 AM
@grindinblade, your level of interest in this story is extremely creepy.

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:21:38 PM
grindblade, stop refreshing your browser.

grindinblade
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 229 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:49:40 PM
CrakrJak "There is no evidence that Zimmerman chased Martin, None. The claim of his GF was that he was putting his 'hoody' on, not running. "
The original 911 call he says he is following Trayvon and he started to run away, how can you really be arguing this point?
I am not saying give him the death penalty or 60 years in jail, I am saying he needs to be arrested an put on trial to determine what happened.

grindinblade
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 229 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:37:54 PM
@CrakrJak You said Otto doesn't know how it went down and is relying on spin by liberal media. However you are just picking pieces of evidence and witness statements that fit the story you want it to be. I never read anything about a witness saying it was Trayvon on top, just the opposite as I posted in the other video comments.
The one piece of evidence I would say that we really do have is the 911 call where the shot can be heard. It is clearly a child yelling for help, not a grown man.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25647 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:19:33 PM
Why is this thread rated 2.7, and the other thread rated 3.4?
Weird!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25647 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:09:32 PM
Meh, there's nothing there that hasn't been discussed already. It is helpful to see it all together, even if it is 'slanted'.
Several points count against Zimmerman (2,9,11,14 & 15)
Some count against Martin (16, 17 if true)
Many are just 'factoids' that don't have much to do with the case.

All we can do, here at IAB, is guess what happened based on incomplete evidence.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25647 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:02:51 PM
FoolsPrussia's Link What Everyone Should Know... about this case. I'm still reading it. Looks interesting, thx! Even if it is a VERY liberal website.

@FoolsPrussia: "who once beat a police officer" Beat? really? If during an arrest I push a cop, I can be charged with "assault" ok? That it was expunged suggests it was a fairly minor 'crime'.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:44:10 PM
Lillian: It was dark at the time and no one saw the struggle clearly, the 3 people that claimed to hear the word 'Help', could not identify who said 'help' while they were on the phone with the 911 dispatchers. One witness did however see Trayvon on top of Zimmerman hitting him.

Now please tell me, why would Trayvon, who was on top of Zimmerman at the time, be screaming for help ? Doesn't it make more sense that the person on the bottom and being physically assaulted be screaming for help ?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:34:52 PM
FoolsPrussia: Think progress is not a legitimate news source, it's a liberal media mouthpiece that has no integrity.

Otto: You don't have a clue as to how it actually 'went down', you're relying on rumor and supposition spin by the liberal media.

The bits and pieces of the police report, that were released before this story blew up, paint a much different picture. I find it extremely odd that the media demanded the 911 tapes, but won't, themselves, release any copy of the police report that they claim to have.

If Trayvon was afraid of a 'creepy' guy, why didn't he go home or call 911 himself ? Why did he put on his 'hoody', if he was being chased ? Why did Trayvon choose to assault Zimmerman instead of run the few yards home ?

There is no evidence, that Zimmerman 'ran' after Trayvon and even if he had tried to, It's more likely that a 130lb. 17yr old football athlete would easily outrun an overweight middle-aged man.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:06:09 PM
Crakr:

Answer why Zimmerman should not be held accountable for confronting and instigating the situation when he was told not to. Zimmerman obviously was wrong about every preconceived notion he had going into the situation. The boy did nothing wrong, he defended himself from a nutjob who then killed him, it did not have to happen and Zimmerman is responsible for the escalation.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:46:45 PM
Also, Zimmerman is only 28 and weighs 250 lbs. Does that sound like an easy target for a 17 year old who weighs 140 lbs?

As far as who was screaming, three witnesses say it was Martin.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/446768/what-everyone-should-know-about-about-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:40:59 PM
Also, Zimmerman is only 28 and weighs 250 lbs. Does that sound like an easy target for a 17 year old who weighs 140 lbs?

As far as who was screaming, three witnesses say it was Martin.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/446768/what-everyone-should-know-about-about-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:37:15 PM
CJ - Because it's impossible for the police to be corrupt, right? I mean, they already tried to manipulate the witnesses and tell them that they heard something they didn't hear (one witness said they heard Trayvon screaming, and the police told them "no, you heard Zimmerman scremaing").

"There is no evidence that Zimmerman chased Martin, None. "
Except, of course, for the fact that Zimmerman said Trayvon was running away, and 911 asked if he was following (most likely running as well, based on the sound of the wind), and he said yes, and was told to stop (and he didn't stop).

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:37:01 PM
The truth is that nobody knows exactly what happened right now. But Zimmerman was charged with battery against a police officer in 2005. The charge was "expunged from his record," which allowed him to carry the gun.

It seems strange to me that Crakrjak is willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a man who once beat a police officer rather than to a young individual with no police record, who obviously cannot tell his own side of the story because he's deceased.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17121 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:19:03 PM
lauriloo: So you can jump right into his mind and know exactly what Zimmerman was thinking ? I didn't know you were clairvoyant. You've bought the media spin on this, hook, line and sinker.

You should be asking yourself this, If Trayvon was afraid and running, why didn't he continue running to his house only yards away ?

Martin was a football athlete, weighed 130lbs, was 17 years old and I'm sure could've out ran an overweight middle aged man easily, instead he tackled Zimmerman and attacked him.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25647 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:14:40 PM
@lauriloo: One punch doesn't account for Zimmerman's injuries. Also a witness said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman as they were struggling on the ground.
As for the other part: yes it's true. Zimmerman should not have had a gun. He should not have persued Martin. He should have stayed in his truck and let the police deal with it.

But he didn't and the result is tragic.

Still, until he's charged and convicted all WE can do is guess.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:46:47 PM
Zimmerman SAID Martin was running away before 911 told him not to follow him. How do you catch up to a man running away if you're not chasing him?

It was raining, That's why his hoodie was up.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a scuffle where the kid managed to get one good punch in before he was shot. Still doesn't justify shooting someone. The kid was fighting for his life against some random big dude getting in his face.

Zimmerman had several opportunities to not have this end badly but he was hell bent on being "big bad man in the neighborhood" and feeding his own prejudice. A normal person would have a) let the police handle it and b) calmly identified himself as the neighborhood watch and asked the kid if he belonged there. The kid would have pointed out his dad's house and that would have been the end of it. Obviously Zimmerman wasn't afraid the kid had a gun if he ran after him and confronted him so what's his excuse?

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