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$4 Gas in 2008 Good, $4 Gas in 2012 Bad?

Hits: 9044 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Baalthazaq
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lampshadshoe
Male, 18-29, Western US
 43 Posts
Monday, March 19, 2012 11:48:09 AM
I'd like to see any politician or newscaster ride a bike to work to conserve energy. Or even drive an economical car. That'll be the day.

MountainBord
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1898 Posts
Monday, March 19, 2012 10:10:23 AM
fughh...were fughd.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5694 Posts
Monday, March 19, 2012 9:20:48 AM
@5cats: Clinton didn't need to summon bimbos, they knew where he was most of the time.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24468 Posts
Monday, March 19, 2012 8:44:42 AM
@Cajun & Simbah: It's 1000 chars, but some things get counted incorrectly by the "Current" counter and can cut you off as early as 800, eh? I've had comments in the 950s come out clean.

@thelonious: Is that what that knob is for? I thought Clinton had it installed to summon bimbos...

mitchy-boy
Male, 18-29, Europe
 8 Posts
Monday, March 19, 2012 6:01:22 AM
thats $4 a gallon? you dont know how good you've got it.
In the UK, £1.40 a litre, or £6.30 a gallon, or roughly $10.00 a gallon

daroofa
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 132 Posts
Monday, March 19, 2012 4:55:31 AM
The rest of the media has gone from blaming Bush to explaining why it isn't Obama's fault, but they all get a pass on their hypocrisy.

gothmo
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1328 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:11:40 PM
$4 from a non political/economic standpoint is always gonna be bad.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16912 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:04:03 PM
birdawg68: Actually your own link says that US refineries need more crude oil and that keystone XL would provide that supply.

No where in your link does it say anything about exporting oil outside the US.

thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3246 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:09:09 PM
Underneath the president's desk in the Oval Office is a knob he turns to set the gasoline price. Let's not joke around about this.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1387 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:49:02 PM
I really don't care who's blaming whom for high energy prices.

If you believe current (or even higher) energy prices are a good thing, then you are an enemy of prosperity, and very likely a massive hypocrite.

Cheap, plentiful energy is required for economic growth and technological innovation. If you want the unicorn and fairy dust energy, we have to develop it using current energy.

birdawg68
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 130 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:40:08 PM
If you are supportive of the keystone pipeline extension because you believe it will bring jobs or fuel to the US you are misinformed, or just ignorant of the truth. If completed the pipeline will go to the gulf coast FOR EXPORT to Euroupe, China and South America. And do the math yourself on the 20,000 man hours of labor. How many jobs is that? Research it, don't spew out some ignorance base4d on a party line. Look at http://www.transcanada.com/keystone.html the truth is on their own website. You just have to understand what you are reading.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:38:08 PM
@Cajun: Well, that's convenient... Then why doesn't it say that on the bottom of the page - and enforce that limit, instead of 1,000?

/sigh

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:20:56 PM
@simbha

The char limit's actually 800.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10228 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:20:18 PM
Pickens' plan is tailor made to make him large profits, and that's why he promoted it in the first place. So don't think he's being noble with his plan.


Well if his plan promotes green energy as well, I can't think of anything else put forth that could be anymore nobler. Power to him!

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:13:53 PM
[No idea why IAB's form keeps cutting me off, when apparently I'm under the max characters but anyway...]

The last line should have read...

"but that's the entire point of strategy; the society must choose to make certain inv[estments]."

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:10:21 PM
I never suggested that his plan is noble. It's true that I've met the man and heard him speak several times - but what convinces me that (overall) it's the best plan for the intermediate horizon isn't these things. It's my own analysis, which my team and I have exhaustively prepared several times. There was a time - even before Mr. Pickens publicly proposed his plan - that I had gone through the first steps of setting up a PAC specifically to support national candidates for office who would support a plan containing (as part) a transition through natural gas (too much to go into here).

That his plan, if realized, would make him billions is irrelevant - except only to suggest that he does believe the in his own rhetoric and has positioned himself to reap the rewards of such if it manifests.

And with regard to your own statement about 'demonizing' other now-conventional fuels, I agree - but that's the entire point of strategy; the society must choose to make certain inv

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16912 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:06:47 PM
Pickens' plan is tailor made to make him large profits, and that's why he promoted it in the first place. So don't think he's being noble with his plan.

Having said that, we do have abundant natural gas and we should be using it. But demonizing coal and petroleum is just stupid until truly viable and profitable alternatives are developed.

I'm a big believer in Thorium nuclear reactors, the fuel is cheap and abundant, it would be safer, wouldn't need waste containment for thousands of years, and doesn't require large amounts of water.

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:02:41 PM
It's not his fault! Stop blaming BO! It's GW's fault. BO deserves four more years to straighten out the eight that GW ffff'd up.

...... I am so tired of hearing excuses for either of them.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:53:59 PM
@Crakr: I'm not 'forgetting' anything. My comment was simply relating to the cost of gasoline in inflation-adjusted terms over the past century or so. It wasn't a judgment on American usage of this gasoline or any other factor.

Yes, people use a lot more gasoline today than they have in the past - and perhaps that's the issue. Our country's growth patterns and poor infrastructure development and maintenance have contributed largely to our need for fossil fuels - and moving strictly to so-called 'alternative' fuels is not an effective solution; however, neither is continuing to build our dependence on oil.

I happen to be a proponent of most aspects of the Pickens plan, which moves us through natural gas as an intermediary fuel product (largely through power generation) as research is continued into non-fossil-based energy options in the coming decades. I don't really see any other alternative. Pining for the days of yore - when oil/gas prices were low - is not going to

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16912 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:39:36 PM
simbha: You're forgetting that most people rely on a car to get to work, get groceries, pick up the kids, run errands and many other things. In the 1930's most people didn't own a car and they drove a lot fewer miles. Factor in the increased costs of maintenance and insurance nowadays and it costs a lot more than it did then.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:54:33 PM
AntEconomist: "Actually, gas today is as expense (relative to the average American's income) as it was in 1975. Factor in that cars get 30% better mileage on average and the cost of gas-powered travel is actually cheaper than in 1975."

... And, just slightly higher than the sustained period in the mid-1930s, and also only slightly higher than the peak in the late-1910s. For example, in 1935 gas prices were $0.165 per gallon and average per capita income was around $475 per year. A thousand dollars of gas would have been around 35% of annual income. Contrast this with the average gas price of $3.82 for the past year in the US - compared with a per capita income of around $39,000. That puts a thousand gallons of gas per year at roughly 10% of annual income. Yes, it has been lower than this in recent years, but it's still quite cheap.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24468 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:22:53 PM
"No no, Fox still aren't blaming the President, and if they were, I'd be shocked and appalled

So... put up a video roundup of that eh @Baalth? But you didn't. Or that's right, it's OK to ASSUME Fox hatred, and the MSM is assumed to be utterly fair! I forgot.
@DuckBoy: IAB does occasionally put up postings for 'both sides' but it's not common.
idk about "25:1" but I'd agree with a "Left 5:1 Right" ratio. The trouble is that lefties don't see it as "left" they think their bias is the "center" eh?

AND: I submit tons of stuff, on and off. Not just politics either! But for some strange reason, few of my excellent suggestions get posted, except for the occasional political one.
Theory: @Baalth and @madest like to post my political topics in a misguided effort to discredit the "right"
@FancyLad does it for the lols!

Ches47
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 303 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:00:42 PM
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that high gas prices suck. Regardless of what vehicle you drive, what party you support, or where you live.
Unless you are an oil tycoon, then you're just an non-nice individual.

AntEconomist
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 254 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:59:38 PM
Actually, gas today is as expense (relative to the average American's income) as it was in 1975. Factor in that cars get 30% better mileage on average and the cost of gas-powered travel is actually cheaper than in 1975.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2630 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:41:50 PM
Thetas, no, completely opposite. I want IAB to post BOTH sides to every political based story.

FoolsPrussia, I don't know if you saw, but the first one was posted then almost immediately taken down. There was an outcry and it was put back. Why it was taken down? I don't know, but IAB's track record shows it was politically based.

Baal, I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying, but IAB does lean so far left it's falling off the ledge. If you're insinuating that I'm anti-Muslim, anti-global warming, rightwing nutjob, you're wrong about that too.
I am anti-all-religion, anti-climate-change caused-100%-by-man, moderate-that-leans-to-the right-on-economics nutjob.
And 5Cats and Crakr esque posts are very few. I would estimate a 25-1 ratio of pro-left to pro-right posts on this site, and a lower ratio as of lately.

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