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Facing Execution for Three Tweets

Hits: 15155 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: ElijaBlack
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Penguinato23
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 295 Posts
Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:44:33 AM
I'm not afraid of religion. Religion itself can't do anything to anyone. What I'm somewhat more concerned about are the people who latch on to religion.

Hateful, judgmental people are so regardless of whether or not they believe in something. Many religions just so happen to cater to those peoples' desire to be intolerant and falsely elevate themselves above others. Plus it provides a method of validating their behavior; "No, I don't hate [insert group here] because I'm unhappy and want the world to be too; I hate [insert group here] because GOD hates them!"

I've heard many times that religion means something different to every person. Religion means what a person wants it to mean. Therefore, if someone claims that their religion necessitates hating others, the person/people themselves made it that way.

People can and always will be able to find reasons to be judgmental no matter what. To me religion's enduring popularity is a product of that, not a

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:57:24 AM
The hate generated by one religion isn't somehow more acceptable because another religion is worse.

Yeah, but the christian hate isn't always in law, it's just judgemental bigots* acting "on their own".

*I didn't say ALL christians are bigots so please don't say I did.

zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2524 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 8:53:04 PM
As a general rule, I hate religion. It pisses me off like nothing else can. I hate that it's a subject we're not allowed to criticize without being shouted down by the politically correct.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 8:50:32 PM
Also the point: not being allowed (yet) to get married is FAR less troublesome that being killed by the government for being gay, you can agree on that yes?

If that was the extent of things, you'd be right. However, you overlooked everything else I said--like how I can be fired for being gay, or denied housing, or, depending on the neighborhood, beaten or killed. And that many Christians are actively trying not only to block progress in those areas, but to roll back progress in others.

Do I have it as bad here as I would in some other places? Obviously not. That doesn't it make it right, or excusable. The hate generated by one religion isn't somehow more acceptable because another religion is worse.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25830 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 7:59:52 PM
@airsofter1 Muhammed IS the Prophet, they're the same guy.

"scale isn't the point" Heck yes it is! Also the point: not being allowed (yet) to get married is FAR less troublesome that being killed by the government for being gay, you can agree on that yes?

And going back 3000 years or 300 years to find atrocities? Not the same as it happening right here, right now! You cannot forgive mistakes made centruies ago, but crimes happening now are OK with you?

"I said that Christianity and Islam are "practically the same religion""
You're just as wrong as when @Baalthy says the same bull. The Christian God does NOT care which hand you wipe your bum with, case closed.

airsofter1
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1089 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 7:40:01 PM
i wonder if muhammad and his prophet ever had buttsex

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 5:38:22 PM
Here's the main difference, in a nutshell: Judaism and Christianity are religions based in peace, with peaceful philosophers, thinkers, prophets as their primary focal points (Moses, Jesus, both peaceful men who relied on God to deliver them from evil). Occasionally, these religions have been co-opted by evil men, but these have been perversions and are not the norm.


That doesn't disprove yaezakura's claim at all. His post was actually quite accurate.

Yaezakura, you're being incredibly ignorant and naive. That's the same load of bull my teachers and professors tried to indoctrinate us with and it simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

So everyone is telling you this, and it's what, some big conspiracy? But yeah, HE'S the naive one. You're so ridiculous that I can't tell if your post was troll bait or not.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 3:55:01 PM
Ah yes, those peaceful Jews, who according to their own holy book eradicated every living person except the virgin girls of every village they came across. The same people who were told to wait by the road and snatch women away to rape into submission.

Sorry, but no. Judaism and Christianity are no more peaceful than Islam is--not in teaching, and certainly not in fact. Sure, Jesus himself seemed a perfectly reasonable guy for his time, but I've yet to meet a single Christian who puts the words of Jesus above those of his disciples who were rather more hateful and war-like.

AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1006 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 3:38:04 PM
Yaezakura, you're being incredibly ignorant and naive. That's the same load of bull my teachers and professors tried to indoctrinate us with and it simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Here's the main difference, in a nutshell: Judaism and Christianity are religions based in peace, with peaceful philosophers, thinkers, prophets as their primary focal points (Moses, Jesus, both peaceful men who relied on God to deliver them from evil). Occasionally, these religions have been co-opted by evil men, but these have been perversions and are not the norm.

Islam, on the other hand, is a religion of war, with a warrior (some might say mass-murderer) as its primary focus, that being Mohammed. Followers are encouraged, by the writings of their "prophet", to engage in war and murder to further their religion. Are there peaceful muslims? Of course, but they are the aberration, the deviation from the norm.

That's the difference. Educate yourself.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 2:36:02 PM
Lumping one stereotypical person in with a whole race is bigotry. Lumping one religion in with them all is also bigotry.

Ah, but you missed the point of what I was saying. I said that Christianity and Islam are "practically the same religion". Not identical, but very similar. Both, for instance, worship the God of Abraham, and are derived from Judaism. The similarities in the belief systems far outstrip the differences. The only significant difference is "How important was this Jesus dude?" Which, if you recall, is also the only significant difference between Christianity and Judaism, yet you wouldn't be up in arms if I had said those two were nearly identical.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17231 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 1:13:36 PM
Cajun: Lumping one stereotypical person in with a whole race is bigotry. Lumping one religion in with them all is also bigotry.

Hedkwab
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 340 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 10:15:53 AM
I can't stand a video that throws in 10000 stupid pop culture references just to keep idiots interested. You can tell who they are trying to market to. People who only keep watching for the stupid simpsons clips. Zzzzzz

furrything
Male, 50-59, Europe
 864 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 9:02:05 AM
Hey, if it wasn't religion keeping folk together. Oh, wait.....

RPossum
Male, 30-39, Canada
 939 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 8:44:33 AM
I wonder what has the better evolutionary path. The guy with the good idea or the guy who kills the guy with a good idea?

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 8:22:30 AM
How can you tell when someone's wrong. When they jump to violence the second they can't prove you wrong. If they only way to get your point across is by threats or violence, than you should think about why that is. If your really right, there is no need to act in such ways.

akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1051 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 3:46:33 AM
What is worse? Executing one man who broke the Saudi law and knows the consequences of doing so, and went to a muslim country, in which he knew he was a fugitive *doesnt matter what he did, look at the scenario, if he wanted to escape, he should have went to the states or europe or something), or a soldier killing 16 innocent civilians in a country they are trying to
"liberate". I already know what you guys are going to say, so i dont know why i bother to ask.

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 3:01:42 AM
I support the execution of anyone who uses Twitter.
You can get rid of all the Facebook people too while you're at it.

Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 985 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:30:08 PM
When there was no ability to police people religion had its uses..now its simply obselete. Unfortuneatly those with power ensured their power would be retained, oldest story in the book.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4665 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:26:22 PM
Rawrg-"Stop using majority opinion as a basis for evidence."

Please invest in a reading comprehension course. I did not use majority opinion as a basis for evidence. I provided the FACT that ~84% of the worlds population are followers of some type of religion. I did not attempt to use this as a basis to prove, or disprove, the existence of a diety. I pointed out the REALITY that you have to deal with a lot of religious people.

Rawrg-"The fact is that religion is clearly nonsense"

I'm sorry, but you have established no such fact. Just your BELIEF that it is so.

Rawrg-"you're wrong,"

How do you determine that when I have not shared what my belief happens to be? I just pointed out the fact that in the real world you have to deal with religious people.

Rawrg-"Grow up people, and face reality."

The only reality you've presented (as you've presented nothing but biased opinion) is tha

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:41:18 PM
I do not for a moment believe every Christian is a bad person or a bigot. I've dated girls who identify as Christian. But that doesn't change the fact that Christianity as a whole has a negative impact on my life, and the lives of others like me. The faith causes otherwise good people to do bad things because they believe that God demands it of them.

And yes, it does get a little better every year. People become more accepting, old, unchangeable bigots die off, and the world improves. But even when all is said and done, religion promotes a mindset where blind faith is valued as highly as fact is. It is poison to critical thinking and making rational decisions.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:37:39 PM
@notorious98:

There is a large difference between an outlier and a trend. You also have to consider other factors when making any assessment. For instance, that atheist/agnostic person and the Wiccan were both raised in the US, which has a long history of discrimination against homosexuals. Even if their religious beliefs have changed, biases can often be even harder. This doesn't excuse their actions--they're still bigots, and are personally responsible for their views and actions--but it helps establish how that atypical mindset for an atheist or a Wiccan could be formed.

The point is, however, that those examples are atypical. They are not the norm for people with those beliefs. There are no atheist or Wiccan organizations funneling millions of dollars in the effort to continue homosexual discrimination.

notorious98
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 151 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:29:30 PM
@Yaezakura

That's a very narrow viewpoint. If you believe that religion is the biggest motivating factor on why you can't marry your lover, you have yet to experience much of the world. Christians aren't the only people who don't believe in gay marriage. In fact, I personally know a Wiccan and an agnostic/atheist (not really sure which) who also don't agree with it. Personally, I am a Christian and I believe same sex marriage should be legal. So please don't generalize people or religions. It just makes you look ignorant.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:05:21 PM
Are you bat-poo crazy too? How does the actions of a few crazy peole equate to the entire Government doing something? The Saudi (and many other Islamic) GOVERNMENT does it!

Scale isn't the point. In both cases, it's religion being used to generate hatred and cause death. Even one death in the name of religion is too many. I don't care what that religion is. And the fact that, in the modern day, Christianity is tamer than it used to be isn't a factor. It's still nonsense that causes harm in the world.

Even here in America is causes direct harm to people's lives. I can't marry my lover. In my state, I can be fired for my sexuality. In some places it's dangerous just for me to EXIST due to religiously motivated hatred.

So no, I don't really consider Christianity any better than Islam. It blow up a few less buses, but it ruins just as many lives.

diylobotomy
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1828 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:12:22 PM
Saw Chris Crocker. Stopped video.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25830 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:03:50 PM
@yaezakura: "modern, living American Christians trying to get homosexuals executed in other countries"

Are you bat-poo crazy too? How does the actions of a few crazy peole equate to the entire Government doing something? The Saudi (and many other Islamic) GOVERNMENT does it!
Your fake 'equivalence' makes you look very stupid. (good thing I looked up how to spell "equivalence" properly, lolz!)

@willsk84food: you like that hippy crapola? Suit yourself.

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