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Sackett Vs. EPA: Your Right To Live in Your Land

Hits: 5631 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: wizemuler
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 606 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 11:36:36 PM
Update: As of October 2013 the Sacketts still hadn't succeeded in demonstrating that their land isn't wetlands so they could build their house:

NW News Network (10/2/'13): "A Unanimous Supreme Court Ruling, But Still No House For Idaho Couple"

Michael Sackett went on to get busted for sex trafficking of children:

KXLY4 (12/24/'13): "Court: Former EPA crusader arrested for sex trafficking"

He plead not guilty and, last I can find, was still under house arrest pending trial, which he had delayed under appeal.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 606 Posts
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:09:12 PM
Update: The Sacketts won their US Supreme Court case against the EPA 9 to 0. The Supreme Court ruled that the EPA could not force people to accumulate potential fines while they waited for a review of potential violations, and that people served with EPA compliance orders to stop development had the right to sue immediately to change the order.

In the decision Justice Samuel Alito said that that the treatment of the Sacketts, and others denied a right to sue EPA, was "unthinkable" in a country that values due process.

This means that the Sacketts can now sue to change the order that says that they're in violation, instead of having to wait for the EPA and potentially HUGE fines. (Couldn't find any info on whether they succeeded.)

For details see:
Opinion recap: Taking EPA to court

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 606 Posts
Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:45:27 PM
@patticakes: That's a demonstrably absurd claim to make.

First of all, the EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon, who is a Republican. Are you trying to tell me that *Nixon* is a liberal communist?!?!

The head of the EPA at the time this incident occurred was Stephen L. Johnson (2005-2009), who was appointed by George W. Bush (another commie liberal?).

Furthermore, some people DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR LIVES MADE A LIVING HELL BY REGULATORY AGENCIES. Not the Sacketts, of course, but if you think the EPA isn't necessary then you need to learn some history. It may have problems, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Please, educate yourself on what exactly the Environmental Protection Agency does for you.

patticakes
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 459 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 7:24:16 PM
When regulatory agencies can make your life a living hell, then you know government is too big. We need to get our country back from these statist freaks. They want to make our nation into a third world country. We have to get rid of the EPA. Enough of these communists! I can assure you everyone who works at the EPA is Democrat. Vote not just Republican, vote Conservative!

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 8:42:01 AM
I guess anything done in Senate is considered due process. Douches.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Monday, March 12, 2012 7:44:11 AM
i nice to see the this happens to white people too.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 606 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:44:59 PM
@CrakrJak: CitizenToxie is referring to the fairly recent comments by Rick Santorum.

Los Angeles Times - "Rick Santorum rejects absolute separation of church and state" (2/26/'12)

Santorum said hearing President Kennedy's speech on the importance of the separation of church and state "makes him throw up." When later asked for clarification he said, "I don't believe in an America where separation of church and state is absolute."

Unless that *is* absolute, then some see it as a rejection of the principals this nation was founded upon. Specifically the importance of freedom of religion and prevention of religious control over government, both of which were seen as a problem in England at that time.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 606 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:24:24 PM
OldOllie: "This is what happens when you vote Democrat. Elections have consequences."

Uh... this incident with the EPA and the Sacketts started back in 2007, so this happened after Bush had been in power for 7 years and all but 2 of the 12 years prior to 2007 had had a dominantly Republican senate (and even for those two years it was almost equal). Laying all the blame on Democrats for the EPA's actions in this case is simply ludicrous.

Based on those facts, a more accurate version of your argument is, "This is what happens WHEN YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN."

But hey, why let reality and the facts get in the way of what you want to believe, eh? ;-P

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17293 Posts
Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:16:59 AM
CitizenToxie: Not one candidate, that I know of, doesn't believe in separation of church and state.

I have a feeling you believe in 'Freedom from religion', which is not what the 1st amendment says.

CitizenToxie
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:37:30 PM
@OldOllie

Like voting for some radical christian hypocrite who doesn't even believe in the separation of church & state is any better?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14770 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 8:41:56 PM
This is what happens when you vote Democrat. Elections have consequences.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17293 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 8:36:40 PM
The EPA has been acting like douchebags for a long time now, along with the Fish and Wildlife Service and other Govt. agencies.

The San Joaquin Valley in California was a great source of agriculture, now it's a dust bowl because they want to protect some stupid 2inch delta smelt.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10317 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:16:51 PM
but they moved into land that had already been sectioned off by the EPA beforehand


It's "commerce among the Several States" not "within" the EPA has no authority to do this.

phil7243
Male, 18-29, Australia
 143 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:23:50 PM
Seems like this could have been solved with an EPA review and exemption. A lot of wetland data is based on general attributes of the surrounding land and historical data because it's impossible to check every piece of land.

If they wanted to build they should have requested an exemption first because the property should have already been classified as protected and the owners either chose to ignore it or were misinformed.

klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:00:08 PM
There are so many people struggling with trying to live without a house, that this couple's problem's with trying to build their perfect summer home next to a pristine lake is of small importance to me.

It would be one thing if the EPA went in and kicked them out of their house after they lived there for years, but they moved into land that had already been sectioned off by the EPA beforehand.

And just because it "doesn't look like wetlands" doesn't mean it's okay to build on it. It would be like finding a dry spot in the everglades and building there because it's "not wet".


HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 606 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:14:58 PM
Personally, I'm mostly a fan of the EPA, but after some research, I have to agree that it looks like the EPA is tip-toeing around the legal system to get people to do what they want in cases like this.

From what I read it looks like the Supreme Court is leaning in favor of the Sacketts, and expect to have a ruling in June.

For legal documents see:
SCOTUSblog - Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency

And for a more detailed and less biased explanation of the legal problems with what the EPA is doing see:
USA Today - High court weighs high-profile case over wetlands, EPA fines

ScottSerious
Male, 18-29, Western US
 5329 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:48:37 PM
i hope they win

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10317 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:41:20 PM
@uscbadfish

The EPA already stated its case it would be onesided if it weren't for this video.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24737 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:54:56 PM
Good luck to him!

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:40:06 AM
Sounds like the EPA just wanted badass vacation home.

For the government, by the people? Is that where we are going?

uscbadfish
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 271 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:37:51 AM
Finally made it through. So we have a one-sided argument about how terrible the EPA is for picking on this couple. Awesome. I hope they rule in favor of the EPA, and the couple has to put in a wetland.

uscbadfish
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 271 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:30:20 AM
Halfway through the video, and it seems like it's just a white couple complaining about the EPA. Boring-ass narrator and idiotic married couple.

phobophobia
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 4 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:58:08 AM
Watch the whole video before rating it.

mon360
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 742 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:37:03 AM
hehe, yeah that's what i said...drat...

mon360
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 742 Posts
Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:36:32 AM
and the land of the free! and the home of the brraaaaaaadrat this im going to Canada...

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