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DOMA Ruled Unconstitional

Hits: 9842 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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Fidelius
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 6 Posts
Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:13:11 PM
@Crakr: To bring race into the discussion proves you are already biased beyond rational debate. At this point you might as well become a parishioner of the Westboro Baptist Church. In regards to your "evidence," The Weekly Standard is a neoconservative site that is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp...the same company that owns Fox News. Why don't you try to find information from credible, law abiding news agencies??

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:32:18 PM
In light of what Zira's comment I take my "cherry picking" accusation back, rather Crakr YOU ARE distorting research.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:21:42 AM
Crakr Lies in the name of god are stillLies.

Have you no shame?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:42:04 AM
@CrakrJak
Evidently you didn't get that I was disputing your claim about it being due to gay marriage, not the fact that Europe's birthrate was in decline.

At those rates caucasians will be the minority in Europe and you won't be able to support your pensioners even with draconian income taxes.


Non sequitur

As for your surveys you're cherry picking, the last one is also an induction of the fallacy of composition.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1931 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:43:08 PM
I say we take away the right to vote from anyone who has a different opinion from mine. To disagree shows a mental flaw. Also, we should take away the right to drive from anyone who opposess abortion,so they cannot spread thier seed nationwide as easily.
Better still,why not just shoot the stupid who do not understand the word "Equal".

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:09:14 PM
A recent study by the Canadian government regarding homosexual couples states that "violence was twice as common among homosexual couples compared with heterosexual couples".

The American College of Pediatricians states the following: "Homosexual partnerships are significantly more prone to dissolution than heterosexual marriages with the average homosexual relationship lasting only two to three years."

A study by a group of University of Chicago researchers reveals a high level of promiscuity and unhealthy behavior among that city's homosexual male population. According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners...As a result, 55.1 percent of homosexual males in Shoreland.

That is the opposite of stability in nearly every respect.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:04:18 PM
xiquiripat: Marriage, of 1 man + 1 woman, is necessary to maintain a healthy society, the most stable family unit is hetero with children and they have served America well for over 200 years now.

Children of normal hetero marriages are more likely to graduate high school, less likely to do drugs, more likely to attend college, less likely to drop out, more likely to get high paying jobs, more likely to have a better credit ratings, much less likely to commit crimes, less likely to have children out of wedlock and more likely to save money for their retirement. Those are just a few of the benefits that hetero marriage gives to society.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:03:58 PM
*Facepalm* So we've come to this demographics skirmish once again? But of course this is exactly what the anti contraception crowd on both sides of the pond want when they do their thing. A white fertility cult, to compete with recent immigrant's family sizes. *Eyeroll* Geez, chill and get ready to enjoy our diverse sexy future already (latin boyfriends ect. ect. amirite gals)?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 10:44:06 PM
Cajun & evan: Evidently neither of you looked to hard, evidence for Europe's declining birth rate is in 9 of the first 10 google results for "Europe birth rate". Here is one right here.

At those rates caucasians will be the minority in Europe and you won't be able to support your pensioners even with draconian income taxes.

xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2419 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 1:44:52 PM
@Crackr: Ok how abut this: You can keep the word marriage and only churches can perform marriages. But all the rights and privileges associated with getting married will be stripped and given to civil unions which the is the exclusive power of the government. So you can still get married and keep your silly word but it will have zero legal standing unless you also get a civil union. Only God will recognize you. Somehow I don't think you would go for that.

Also birth rates decline with industrialization. Gay marriage has nothing to do with it.

evanbartlett
Male, 30-39, Western US
 555 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 12:11:21 PM
"I have found zero academic research to back this assertion. Better yet a more simple explanation is that when populations reach upper limit resources become more scarce making it more expensive to have and raise children."

Indeed...
In biology, that would be called a population's 'carrying capacity.' It certainly applies to humans as well.

But more directly to the argument you're addressing: permitting gays to marry has little impact on whether or not people have children. In fact, I might think the opposite. Anecdotally speaking, many of my gay couple friends don't want to have kids until they can guarantee that their children will be in a married home due to the social, financial and personal securities associated with marriage.

Final point: Note: marriage is not a civil union. If they were the same thing, civil unions would be called marriages. The list of legal and financial differences are too long to list here.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:08:39 AM
@CrakrJak

Most countries in Europe aren't even close to the fertility replacement rate necessary to maintain their societies.



I have found zero academic research to back this assertion. Better yet a more simple explanation is that when populations reach upper limit resources become more scarce making it more expensive to have and raise children.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 10:26:31 AM
"Also, since the word marriage was hijacked in Europe, hetero marriage has been on a steep decline there."

Marriage has been on the decline here in the U.S. since divorce became more socially acceptable, does that mean we should outlaw divorce?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 9:23:34 AM
Fidelius: If all the gay community wanted was equal treatment they'd lobby for civil unions to be treated equally, instead they want to hijack the word marriage. Also, since the word marriage was hijacked in Europe, hetero marriage has been on a steep decline there. This redefinition affects all of society adversely.

Most countries in Europe aren't even close to the fertility replacement rate necessary to maintain their societies. A majority of children in Sweden, Denmark and Norway are born out of wedlock. Link

If you call that 'progress' pardon me if I wish America have no part of it.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:55:26 AM
all Marriage should be banned!

pumba62
Male, 40-49, Canada
 952 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:53:29 AM
Great lesbian name ...Amy Cunninghis

WurstZipfel
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:43:36 AM
Trollolo trollolo.

Bountykat
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 399 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:42:07 AM
Or, how about we eliminate the Christian institution of marriage as this country's way to legally bind two people? Maybe we could go for non-religious? Get married if YOU want, but don't tell me my union isn't legitimate because you wont let ME. Maybe I'm wrong. Just an opinion.

Fidelius
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 6 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:11:43 AM
CrakrJak, your reasoning is unfounded. So what if the WORD marriage is malleable? All we, the LGBT community, care about is the legal definition (and all the rights and privileges accorded) of the CONTRACT of marriage.

"Otherwise the word marriage means what ever some group of people want it to mean, and that is not socially or legally responsible. Polygamy would be next, but it wouldn't stop there. "

Oh, please. This is ridiculous. Go call Sweden, or Argentina, or Belgium, or The Netherlands, or any of the other 6 countries that currently allow same-sex marriage, and ask them if they are recognizing marriages between anything else other than 1 person and 1 person. I don't think there are any Swedish marriages involving one man and a chair...at least none that are recognized by the state. My marriage will not hurt yours. And yours, well, I don't even care about.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 590 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:06:38 AM
>>>Here is the issue: It would create an undue burden on employers and the state to grant polygamous relationships full entitlement status.<<<

And thus ONLY an issue because the Fed. grants, and forces states, and other organizations to grant rights to people based on their relationship status. The whole issue would go away if everyone was treated the same at all times.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 6:56:18 AM
but leave the definition of marriage alone as 1 man + 1 woman.


Why? All the reasoning for this stance is ridiculous and sloppy. If the main purpose is for two individuals to come together and certify their love for each other then they all should be called marriages.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 6:34:11 AM
Polygamy would be next, but it wouldn't stop there.


Funny, polygamy was standard practice in medieval Europe

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 4:31:18 AM
If marriage cannot be defined as 1 men + 1 woman, then it's definition is malleable enough to include every other combination imaginable.

That is why I'm against 'gay marriage', but for civil unions for gays. You can complain about civil unions not being equal, fine then change them, but leave the definition of marriage alone as 1 man + 1 woman.

Otherwise the word marriage means what ever some group of people want it to mean, and that is not socially or legally responsible. Polygamy would be next, but it wouldn't stop there.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 12:21:23 AM
Can't we get to the point where people ignore the ridiculous polygamy comments? Love and tolerance is wining. Public approval is past 50%.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12218 Posts
Friday, February 24, 2012 12:19:27 AM
"Why not polygamy? I haven't found a solid argument against it."

It's not a matter of morality, nor about the sanctity of marriage in the religious context, or a matter of societal recognition, as I am sure that the Mormons for example would happily reendorse polygamous marriages. Nor is it about spouse's rights to other spouses' assets under divorce or inheritance.

Here is the issue: It would create an undue burden on employers and the state to grant polygamous relationships full entitlement status.

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