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 TheShmoo
Male, 18-29, Europe
 189 Posts
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Friday, February 24, 2012 7:33:26 AM
CM punks is right for the most part, and he's right to suggest that Chris Brown's punishment should have been more severe. I think violence should be met with violence sometimes, but in the vast majority of situations that come up in life it definitely shouldn't be even considered. |
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 Keegan31
Male, 18-29, Western US
219 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:00:47 PM
Chris Brown is poo. Not a piece of poo, not a poo-head, just poo. |
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 Penguinato23
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
295 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:35:27 PM
Chris brown has successfully beat up his opponents so far, but I think it's a little early for him to move on to targets with penises. He still needs to groom himself... |
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 DM
Female, 18-29, Europe
16 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:34:42 PM
Pipe bomb! |
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 perviggo
Male, 18-29, Europe
103 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:33:30 AM
he never blinks or looks away. That guy is steel |
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 EgalM
Male, 18-29, Canada
1667 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:34:03 AM
I'd pay to watch that fight.
I also would like to place a bet that Chris Brown talks all sorts of smack about this guy but refuses to fight him. |
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 forestq
Female, 18-29, Western US
500 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:35:55 AM
Birdz, I also know the feeling of being completely helpless and claustrophobic. It's beyond terrifying. Especially when that person is laughing at your terrified reaction... |
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 robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2752 Posts
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:25:57 AM
This guy doesn't know my ex-wife. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:34:04 PM
That has to be the most clear, succinct, well thought out, calm, direct to the point video I've ever seen from a professional wrestler and I hope he gets his chance to fold up Chris Brown like a paper airplane. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6351 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:51:48 PM
If a woman put a letter opener in me she would exit the room through the sheetrock. |
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 Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
1514 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:22:49 PM
Somebody gonna get whupped...It won't be C.M.Punk. In fact,I think someone will whup on Chris Brown anyway, cause his "Music" sucks. |
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TkA
Male, 30-39, Western US
115 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:48:26 PM
Oh, so he wants to fight in the WWE to improve his image? |
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 mandingo3519
Male, 30-39, Southern US
179 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:05:39 PM
and for the record, i have been through a relationship where i was attacked by a woman, did not defend myself, and called the police. End result was me with 7 stab wounds from a letter opener, her asleep in the bed when the cops came without a mark on her. Lastly, me handcuffed to the ER bed getting stitches while the cops laughed at me. |
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mandingo3519
Male, 30-39, Southern US
179 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:56:28 PM
my father tought me one thing more than anything else. Never put your hands on a woman. However when a woman puts her hands on you she is no longer a woman. If a woman puts herself in a mans shoe, she deserves to be knocked out of it. There is a difference though, a man should not lose control of himself when she is no longer a threat to his safety, he better stop. In other words, if i am getting attacked, no matter the sex of the attacker, i will defend myself until there is no more threat. as far as Mr Brown, he is a punk and a little boy who is using his fame to get out of doing the wrong thing and i would be honored if i was the one to teach him that. If she attacked him, he had every right to defend himself, but he went too far |
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notorious98
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
151 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:44:06 PM
@Angilion
First, no, it was not an insult lobbed at 300 million people. Considering you agreed that what I said was a possibility how can you then accuse me of insults? It's not an insult, it's a truth.
Now, as far as sexism goes, it isn't based on sexism. It's only based on sexism because you are saying it is. But the truth is that the average woman is much smaller than the average male in both weight and height. That's a fact. So, based on the law of averages, abusive men aren't even bothering to pick on anyone their own size.
Last, it is entirely possible to defend yourself without beating the unholy hell out of somebody. You can take a basic self defense class anywhere. Quite frankly, it's your type of thinking that leads to domestic abuse. Your type of thinking is "that's an adult, so fair game." That kind of mentality says it's ok to be up 25 year old people with down's syndrome or quadriplegics.
Fact. Abusers only pick on |
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 birdz
Female, 18-29, Western US
77 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:11:30 PM
"The difference is not so massively huge that any man can easily restrain any woman without any degree of violence. "
Depends on the woman. I have an ex boyfriend who thought it was funny to pin me to the ground by lying on top of me. Try as I might I could not even budge his weight. He outweighed me by almost 100 pounds, that's me being small not him being overly large. You cannot understand how angry and claustrophobic that made me feel, unless you've experienced that sort of helplessness. And it's not like it took him any effort. Just his body weight. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:25:27 PM
Ah, I see. It's the Superman and little girl thing.
Sure, I'm bigger and stronger than a very large majority of women I know. Whoopie do. Some of them could kick my arse anyway, due to training. Some others could do so simply because they're more willing to do harm than I am - a hugely overlooked factor in any physical conflict.
The difference is not so massively huge that any man can easily restrain any woman without any degree of violence. Superman and the little girl is not reality. |
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 Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:23:18 PM
Yeah, well, I'll come talk to you the next time a child or a woman breaks two of my ribs with their fists. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:16:33 PM
Yes angillion, they ARE like children, and there's nothing wrong with accepting this.
There's a great deal wrong with that attitude and I'm certainly not going to accept it. I can't stop you thinking of women as being like children and you can't stop me thinking of women as being adults. Because they are. It's inherent in the definition - if they weren't adults they wouldn't be women.
A great deal of harm has been done over the millenia by treating women as children. I refuse to do it or accept it as reasonable. |
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Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:15:38 PM
My background:
I haven't surrounded myself with entirely mature women during my twenties. So in turn, I found myself in situations involving overly intoxicated horribly mean spirited violent women. Not necessarily violent towards myself, but that's not the point. The point is, it's a rather simple task for any non-anemic man with any education on how to defend HIMSELF to restrain the vast majority of the female gender without a knock out punch.
I DO believe violence is required in a lot of situations involving two men. I don't consider sitting on a woman's back with her arms pinned down violence. |
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Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:10:34 PM
"On the other hand, if a woman starts swinging at me or my loved ones and there's no other way for me to diffuse the situation, you'd better believe I won't think twice about hitting back."
Here's the thing with this comment. IMO most people who comment on violence against women have never actually been in a situation where they fealt it was necessary. Which, by and large, is good for them. However, it makes their assessment ignorant. The simple fact is, most of us understand escalation of force, even if we don't admit to it. I have NEVER been around a women who I fealt could severely injure me without a weapon in her hand. They're generally small and weak. Yes angillion, they ARE like children, and there's nothing wrong with accepting this.
If you honestly feel you need to hit an unarmed woman to halt her aggression, you probably need to go to the gym more. |
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 Ruffiana
Male, 30-39, Western US
508 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:07:44 PM
@Angilion, My brother-in-law got out of a bad marriage with an abusive woman and some of the crazy-as-drat poo that she would do to him amazed me.
She once attacked him, with a baseball bat, and when he called the police she also called the police and promised him that when they got there she would make sure that he would lose custody of his child from a previous marriage. Cops show up, he's got the battle-scars to prove he was the victim, but he chickens out and says the whole thing was a misunderstanding.
One time of many that he was mentally, verbally, and physically abused and for various reasons he felt powerless to change his situation. |
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Ruffiana
Male, 30-39, Western US
508 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:02:00 PM
@MrOrange, I live by a motto of treating men and women equally. I don't believe in hitting a woman largely because I don't believe in hitting men either. Physical violence is never justified because we've been insulted, berated, or verbally attacked.
On the other hand, if a woman starts swinging at me or my loved ones and there's no other way for me to diffuse the situation, you'd better believe I won't think twice about hitting back.
What Chris Brown did was inexcusable and the larger communal backlash of 'bitch deserved it' is sickening. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:49:08 PM
But this has gone off tangent from this specific case. The police report is publically available - there's no way that was a reasonable, or even sane, response to provocation, even if there was any provocation (and there's no evidence that there was). |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:44:06 PM
Of course, in Europe, woman beating doesn't seem to have the same negative connotation that it does in the states.
Perhaps not. Perhaps there is less sexism in Europe than in the USA. But unlike you, I'm not willing to mindlessly insult ~300 million people out of nationalism.
And yes, the primary motivation is sexism. Both ways, since it relies on viewing women as being more like children than adults. |
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