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Has The U.S.A. Fallen Deep Into A Fascist System?

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AvatarJohn
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 845 Posts
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:44:09 AM
patchgrabber, get a clue. California has the highest taxes in the country. That's why they're going broke! Same goes for New York.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:16:59 AM
Thus it'd be simpler if taxes were just low.

Tell that to California. Their citizens voted for tax cuts and won't ever vote for tax increases and thus California is now broke.

jeepjones
Male, 30-39, Canada
 555 Posts
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:29:37 AM
Isn't this "the american dream" ?

LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:37:36 PM
At an 80% tax rate I guarantee you they will take their business elsewhere.

I was talking about personal income tax there.

Imagine you are a millionaire making say... $50M a year, living here in the sates. Now imagine your government raises the income tax on everything you earn above $10M to 80%. Would your standard of living drop? Nope.

What are your options? Move elsewhere? There are few places where you could go that would offer a better deal if you were to factor all the costs of moving and adjustment and living in a foreign land.

I imagine very few people would sacrifice so much just for the knowledge of having money they will never spend in their accounts.

When it comes to businesses it's different, because they actually use the money (ideally), so I am not suggesting a 80% corporate rate.

InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 335 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:15:00 PM
Wow, after reading all the posts I have slightly more hope than I did before. If only this was a true representation of the entire country we might have half a chance.

InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 335 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:02:01 PM
NDAA quickly followed by SOPA/ACTA.

The american plutocracy saw what happened in egypt / syria and that scared them. So they pass NDAA so they can remove leaders of a revolution. Then they want SOPA/ACTA so they can shut down social media sites that are used to coordinate protests.

But will a revolution really happen in america? I am not so sure. Lots of people are angry (ex: occupy) but that is not nearly enough. The plutocracy is not stupid. They will keep most people just comfortable enough so they will not revolt. The trick is to squeeze as much as possible but not too much. And in the meantime to quietly bleed away as many freedoms as possible. It seems to be working.

We are totally drated.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:58:01 PM
Yeah that's working well for us.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:55:35 PM
madest

Except countries like Belgium tend to have their own tax credits which offset those high tax rates. Then again making those available require more bureaucracies. Thus it'd be simpler if taxes were just low.

BBJellyFish
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 520 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:58:48 AM
Has the US fell into a fascist system? Yes. We don't have a 6th Amendment Right anymore.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:46:51 AM
Cajun247, 80% tax rate? Really? The worlds highest tax rate is Belgium. They're at 54% and are rated as one of the happiest societies in the world. I suggest you and you teabag friends do a bit of travelling outside the US. There's a lot of good out there in first world nations. Bridges that don't collapse, state run prisons that have significantly fewer prisoners, education standards that exceed ours. This is no utopia.

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2517 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:28:54 AM
You know, one of these days a facist dictator is going to get it right.. and there will be no uprising or revolution. Impossible.

furrything
Male, 50-59, Europe
 606 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:07:37 AM
Dress it up in semantics all you like...but the US is in VERY deep trouble. This guy is spot on.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:09:41 AM
I'm sorry but this is still a complete and utter lie.


Why? The Laffer Curve has been proven time and time again, unless you can absolutely prove something else is going on I will continue to be a disciple of Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:18:06 AM
"At an 80% tax rate I guarantee you they will take their business elsewhere. That's exactly what happens when you raise the tax rate any further beyond 15%."

I'm sorry but this is still a complete and utter lie.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:10:58 AM
Some of it certainly fits what's been going on.


Some, yes. Such as militarism and nationalism, but ultimately there are more differences than similarities.

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:26:00 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Some of it certainly fits what's been going on. It does seem like the split party system is on the way out, another term of Obama should get rid of it, least at his rate of giving in to both sides.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:39:46 AM
That guy doesn't know what Fascism is.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:17:04 AM
When a politician makes a promise, what binds them to that promise? If your answer is "the threat of not being elected again", then your system is ridiculously unbalanced in favor of politicians. The future career of one person is massively outweighed by the impact of a promise which affects an entire country.


A politician's goal is to win your vote and thus during a campaign he will advertise theirself to the masses. Their promises are nothing more than pandering.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:13:44 AM
I have to ask, why?

And don't give me the whole "they'll move away" thing, because they won't. The US would still be the best place to do business.



At an 80% tax rate I guarantee you they will take their business elsewhere. That's exactly what happens when you raise the tax rate any further beyond 15%.

SilverThread
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3363 Posts
Monday, February 20, 2012 9:23:20 PM
If Ron Paul were an independent, I would vote for him without a doubt, but riding a Republican ticket is too unendearing to me.

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2288 Posts
Monday, February 20, 2012 9:16:00 PM
"The citizens slip into it like a frog boiled slowly to death."

no that old tail is false the frogs actually had there brains removed before the test. so they were brainless.. we cant say that about the U..... oh wait nm

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Monday, February 20, 2012 8:53:43 PM

The U.S. is on it's deathbed. Only thing left is to pull the plug, which should happen at the next election.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10226 Posts
Monday, February 20, 2012 8:45:35 PM
That's about the sum of it. Like all fascist goverments, it's mostly foreigners that can see it. The citizens slip into it like a frog boiled slowly to death.

swoop408
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1768 Posts
Monday, February 20, 2012 6:53:44 PM
Ron Paul seems to make the most sense out of everyone running yet we'd rather have some religious nuthead or business slime ball as the front runners. The republican party is a goddamn laughing stock.

LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Monday, February 20, 2012 5:59:59 PM
I'm going to add another point, which I forgot before...

9. Make all hospitals, prisons and universities public institutions.

Let the flames continue!

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