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Robert Wanek Doesn't Like Rick Santorum

Hits: 8489 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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Ankin
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1 Posts
Monday, February 27, 2012 4:04:33 AM
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NKaminski
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 30 Posts
Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:20:19 PM
I find the fear of Sharia Law by the Christian Right is ironic, considering their attempts to legislate a Biblical code of laws.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:46:06 PM
zombunny: To protect society and the general welfare of our country.

You know who else wanted to "protect society and the general welfare" of his country by banning things he didn't believe were "right," and only letting his chosen people do what he wanted them to want to do?

Adolf MOTHER-FU­CKING Hitler.

*ZING*

Godwin's Law wins again.


And you wonder why people call conservatives like you Nazi's and Facists, eh?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:39:44 PM
After all, you've already said there can be no laws 'in the bedroom'. That's opened the door to all perversions being legalized now.

You still have no idea what the term "consenting adults" means, do you?

Indeed, I'd find you more likely to rape a child than anyone else around here, since you obviously have no idea what the difference is between a consenting adult engaging in private acts with their chosen lover and a little kid being raped...

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:27:04 AM
"You and others like you think you should be able to tell others how to think because of liberalism."

I have no problem with what you and the other nuts can think, it is your actions of trying to legislate your morality I have a problem with. Like I said, taking your 'religious stick' out of your hand so you stop beating people with it is not persecution.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:22:33 AM
"It's not nuts to want to keep our traditions and institutions the same as they've been for thousands of years."

I assume you are talking about marriage, here is news for you, it's NOT the same tradition or institution as it was 2000 years ago. It is continually changing. Even if it was, so what. The gov't recognizing the union of 2 consenting adults has zero effect on me or you. Slavery was a tradition for hundreds and even thousands of years and your holy book was responsible for helping to continue it. Your wonderful Savior Jesus did nothing to stop it which begs the question of exactly how enlightened he and your religion really was.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:13:06 AM
Oh and another thing, I'd be really careful about quoting the founders on matters ethical if I were you. Those folks have a vastly different conception of what "moral" is than what you or I do. For example I'm sure being moral to them is not allowing your slaves to read or write and of course to keep your clandestine sexual flings with them tightly under wraps.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:06:32 AM
Crakr I believe that's Bulls#it and I'll tell you why. There's a common practice in the halls of legislation known as "The Poison Pill Move" wherein the opposing party knowingly puts into pending legislation something so deplorable they know it will never get passed, or if it does it will have to be surgically removed before final ayes hit the floor.

It's a great move for Reps who want to make easy political hay, then they can shout from the rooftops to their misinformed base that they were once again the champions of morality against teh evul libruls. They did exactly that during the Health Care debate when *they themselves* attached a provision to provide Viagra for sex offenders.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3256 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:05:13 AM
@CrkrJak: Wrong again. Pedophiles are not protected.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:56:00 AM
you ignored "abridging freedom of speech" part.

Jefferson was not a moral pluralist and you are the one trying to confuse words here.



I find this assertion incredibly tenuous as Thomas Jefferson himself wrote Virginia's first statute on religious freedom in 1779 and that you have not proven that conformity is a prerequiste or corequisite to morality.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:50:57 AM
CrakrJak

First amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Meaning the government cannot criminalize homosexuality and depictions thereof as it is a form of protected speech.

it does NOT protect people that are committing illegal acts in their home.


That's the problem, states can't define "illegal" behavoir simply because it's disgusting or in contrast to popular beliefs. They must clearly show that the act itself constitutes a clear violation of another person's liberty. Consensual acts between two adults does NOT meet that criteria.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:48:55 AM
"Our society is sick, it glamorizes immoral and selfish behavior, it makes sluts and pervs into teen idols, it glorifies sin and demonizes the faithful."

And so what if it is? Sin is a religious concept to that is out of the gov't jurisdiction. So you are going to legislate morality? Good luck with that. I couldn't care less if the faithful are 'demonized', what does that even mean? Your religious feelings got hurt? So what? Nobody is stopping you from believing any crazy thing you want but other people have the right to think and say your religious beliefs are nutty. Nobody is stopping you, and I would fight them if they tried. I don't care who you quote, the idea that you should be able to legislate the behavior of others based on your religion is wrong, and you complaining about it is like a schoolyard bully complaining he isn't allowed to take other peoples lunch money.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:40:21 AM
jtrebowski: It was democrats that included pedophiles in the 2009 hate crimes bill as a protected group and then excluded our armed forces veterans from being protected. Video

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:33:43 AM
Otto: You and others like you think you should be able to tell others how to think because of liberalism. Crying persecution and discrimination rings hollow when you stomp on religious people, calling them holier-than-thou nuts. It's not nuts to want to keep our traditions and institutions the same as they've been for thousands of years.

Cajun: Jefferson was not a moral pluralist and you are the one trying to confuse words here.

the first protects gays from the federal govt, and the fourth prevents states from monitoring what goes on in the bedroom.


The first protects the press and RELIGION, not gays. The fourth protects against 'unreasonable' search and seizure, it does NOT protect people that are committing illegal acts in their home.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:26:36 AM
"The minority doesn't have the right to redefine law for the majority either."

No one is forcing you or your church to recognize gay marriage, or perform sodomy, or anything else you think your invisible friend might object to, but the gov't is to be neutral on all thing religious. Telling other people what they can and cannot do is not providing freedom, it is by definition taking it away, you and all the other religious nuts have perverted that by claiming if you are not allowed to tell others what to do somehow YOUR freedom is being subverted, your freedom to what? To legislate sex acts between consenting adults?

Here is the difference between you and I..

I would fight to make sure those I DON'T agree with are given freedom because I know if they are free we all are.

You want to take freedom away from those you don't agree with and then claim you love freedom.


jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3256 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:17:26 AM
CrakrJak: "Yes our society is sick and getting sicker because you liberals keep defending sexual perversion."
I don't know what your definition of "perversion" is, but it's Conservatives that engage in the Most vile behavior.
Oh, Look! There's even a quote by Santorum!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:17:20 AM
Lastly for demonizing the faithful, the faithful (mostly the political sect) have been doing that job better than everyone else by forcing their values on everyone else.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:13:07 AM
It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages."

Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, 1776

"The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works." - Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas), Wall Street, 1987

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:10:39 AM
CrakrJak:

"No where in the bill of rights does it mention marriage, gays, or 'bedroom activities', that power was left up to the states."

Here is the thing, it doesn't have to, the objection to all these things is based on religion, you and people like you think you should be able to tell others how to live because of religion. You may try and come up with non-religious reasons to object but everyone knows that it is all based on your holier than thou attitude. Then when your 'religious stick' is taken out of your proverbial hand to make you nuts quit beating other people with it you cry persecution.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:09:50 AM
Our society is sick, it glamorizes immoral and selfish behavior, it makes sluts and pervs into teen idols, it glorifies sin and demonizes the faithful.


"But man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and shew them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of those good offices which we stand in need of.
...

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 8:07:31 AM
"No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government." - Thomas Jefferson



Two things:
1)Re-read Federalist number 10
2)Even Thomas Jefferson was a subscriber to moral pluralism.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.



You're conflating conformity with morality.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:34:07 AM
gays, or 'bedroom activities', that power was left up to the states.


Actually the first protects gays from the federal govt, and the fourth prevents states from monitoring what goes on in the bedroom.

The minority doesn't have the right to redefine law for the majority either.


If the majority is using the law to tyrannize the majority then it absolutely does.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16738 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:34:04 AM
Otto: No where in the bill of rights does it mention marriage, gays, or 'bedroom activities', that power was left up to the states.

The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority.


The minority doesn't have the right to redefine law for the majority either.

Our society is sick, it glamorizes immoral and selfish behavior, it makes sluts and pervs into teen idols, it glorifies sin and demonizes the faithful.

"No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government." - Thomas Jefferson

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams

PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012 4:37:16 AM
Crakrjakass and Rick= santorum .

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Friday, February 17, 2012 8:40:33 PM
"I'm not going to defend the Catholic church's actions regarding pedophiles"

In my mind you already did because when I attacked Santorum for deflecting the blame for the Church protecting pedofile priests you agreed with him blaming our society for their deeds, no need to try and distance yourself at this point.

I could not care less whither Obama 'stepped on a landmine' or not, he is right in this case. I was raised Catholic and most Catholics use and agree with contraception, it is the fringe Catholics who have a problem. I would be more than happy to elect a good Republican, too bad there isn't one in the bunch.

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