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Kidnapped For Christ - Documentary Trailer

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jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:54:25 AM
"A lot of groups are discriminated against based on the choice of how they look, and they don't have any special rights or protections, how is that any different ?"

Wait? Goths aren't allowed to marry each other?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:24:52 AM
A lot of groups are discriminated against based on the choice of how they look, and they don't have any special rights or protections, how is that any different ?


Now you're making apples and oranges comparison

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:21:19 AM
I wasn't recommending it to make you feel better. I'll shut up. It's none of my business.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:18:29 AM
I make these "assumptions" CrakrJak because you make a lot of gay people on here uncomfortable with your comments about gay people. I'm no saint. I have made religious people uncomfortable with some of my comments about religion. Why don't you go back and talk to your friend. Ask him if you or your friends did anything that would have caused him to leave the circle. If you were as good as you say you were around him it shouldn't be a problem. Maybe he read into things like you say I do. If so you could set his mind free. I will freely admit I am no expert in this area. I had a trauma free life up until age 38 where I had a crash course in the bad side of life. Something made your friend leave. It could be as simple as he wanted to leave his old life. And you guys were just collateral damage.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:17:16 AM
markust: After 20 years and several moves, hundreds of miles away, since then, I'm not concerned about it anymore. I'd rather let sleeping dogs lay than potentially cause a stir.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 10:44:14 PM
Lillian: You're missing the point. A lot of groups are discriminated against based on the choice of how they look, and they don't have any special rights or protections, how is that any different ?

markust: Because I, and the rest of his friends, knew how he was teased, as a kid, none of us told him jokes like that would hurt his, or anyone else's, feelings and that would've also included jokes about glasses, braces, being fat, etc..

Sorry, but you are grasping for assumptions, as you often do, and missing the mark.

If he was mad at me, why would he say hello to me at the mall, where he worked ? I didn't ask him about what went on, at that time, because he was working and it wouldn't have been appropriate and I didn't want him to feel bad.

The image you've built up of me as some sort of gay basher is an illusion.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 6:51:13 PM
"No, I'm not hostile toward anyone that's gay, and certainly am indifferent to his new life. Initially I was disheartened that he abandoned everyone that called him a friend, but it's been 20 years, if he's happy so be it."

This statement says more about you and the rest of the friends he deserted. Think about the horrible things you guys said about gay people in front of him when he was pretending to be straight. Even if you were joking it would still have hurt him deeply. The way you see it is you had a straight friend who turned gay. But as a gay man I assure you that you had a gay friend who finally admitted to himself what he really is. And when he was no longer your "straight" friend I bet it is you who deserted him. Maybe not flat out but by your reaction, words and body language. Instead of telling your friend that you loved him the same as you did yesterday I bet you told him that you loved the sinner but not the sin.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 6:36:24 PM
"Since I've known people that have made choices, in that respect..."
You provided one anecdotal example that couldn't be proven as a "choice".
"Looks can be deceiving ....." Correct. Most people assume I'm a wealthy conservative Republican when they meet me. Maybe you assumed your buddy wasn't gay.
"As I said before, the likelihood that those claiming to be 'born gay' would change to 'it's our choice' would grow significantly if there was a cure found. As I don't believe most would take the cure because they'd wish to maintain their lifestyle by choice. "
And so what if they do?

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 4:22:42 PM
CrakrJak, I think you missed my point. Being gay is often already considered a bad thing. Gay people being able to be "cured" (meaning it was something they were born with but somehow people were able to change their DNA and get rid of the gayness) would mean there wouldn't be a reason to give gay people rights, because they literally could have a procedure done that would stop them from being gay. It'd justify bigotry against them. People already try to get gay people to stop being gay which generally causes severe mental trauma, but think about if it was an actual option. Parents forcing their kids to become ungay against their will, and having it actually work (when it doesn't now but people still try). People being harassed for being gay because they actually have the option to get it "fixed" and people would see less of a reason for protection groups and such. And there'd be no reason to give them rights since they could be "fixed".

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 4:20:16 PM
I find it remarkable how CrakrJak has managed to change the subject drastically.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 3:50:23 PM
Lillian: However, it'd justify people like you discriminating against gay people..


Actually no it wouldn't, Some people choose to be 'Goth', 'Hippie, 'Redneck', 'Jersey', etc.. I wouldn't personally discriminate against anyone that appeared to be stereotypical of any group. Looks can be deceiving and I'm pretty sure if you ever seen me, upon first glance you wouldn't think I'm a Christian or conservative.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 12:53:42 PM
@Musuko42 - I understand getting frustrated with someone, but you do realize that CrakrJak (and people with similar opinions) can very well discredit anything you say because you decided to mindlessly personally attack him (which doesn't come off as "I'm correct" but rather "I'm wrong so I'm going to attack him since I have nothing else to say") rather than either countering his points or simply walking away...

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 12:51:08 PM
"As I said before, the likelihood that those claiming to be 'born gay' would change to 'it's our choice' would grow significantly if there was a cure found."

No, it'd be further proof that it's not a choice. However, it'd justify people like you discriminating against gay people, because they'd have the "choice" to change themselves which shouldn't be seen as a positive thing.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 11:08:43 AM
Everyone, it's really not worth arguing about sexuality with CrakrJak.

The man's in his 40s and he's clearly not getting any sex. That's bound to make him cranky. Cut him some slack.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 10:18:22 AM
As I said before, the likelihood that those claiming to be 'born gay' would change to 'it's our choice' would grow significantly if there was a cure found. As I don't believe most would take the cure because they'd wish to maintain their lifestyle by choice.


Like ethnicity it was not their choice to begin with.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 10:13:31 AM
jtrebowski: I sense a lot of hostility in you as 'you continue to claim that you know better' as well.

Since I've known people that have made choices, in that respect, and not claiming to be 'born that way', perhaps my view is correct one.

As I said before, the likelihood that those claiming to be 'born gay' would change to 'it's our choice' would grow significantly if there was a cure found. As I don't believe most would take the cure because they'd wish to maintain their lifestyle by choice.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 8:11:09 AM
@CrakrJak: Ok, you may not be hostile directly, but you should be smart enough to realize that despite what the overwhelming majority of gay people will testify about whether or not sexuality is a choice or not, and you continue to claim that you know better, or that they shouldn't be able to enjoy the same freedom to marry as we do, that it can be interpreted as hostility.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 7:22:29 AM
jtrebowski: No, I'm not hostile toward anyone that's gay, and certainly am indifferent to his new life. Initially I was disheartened that he abandoned everyone that called him a friend, but it's been 20 years, if he's happy so be it.

Gottamgear
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 358 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 6:40:59 AM
CrakrJak what if your friend got an erection from looking at the guys in study hall but lied to your other friend that it was caused by staring at girls.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 6:39:27 AM
@CrakrJak: So all this hostility you carry towards homosexuality stems from one friend who decides he's gay? First of all, he certainly wouldn't be the first one to come to terms with it later in life. Secondly, high school kids get boners all the time. Of course your friend told your other friend it was because of a girl, because, like we said before, it seems pretty clear that he wouldn't have been comfortable telling y'all that he was gay. Lastly, as you stated, he now has a hair salon with his partner, and as far as you know, he's happy. He was your friend...why can't you just be happy for him?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 4:59:25 AM
Because one of our mutual friends in high school, who was in study hall with him, told me about it and how he tried to hide it.


Uh-huh a friend of a friend...
...okay then.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 3:15:21 AM
Cajun: Because one of our mutual friends in high school, who was in study hall with him, told me about it and how he tried to hide it.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 3:00:02 AM
I seriously doubt that a guy that got erections staring at girls in study hall was 'born gay'


You know this HOW exactly?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Monday, February 13, 2012 2:20:48 AM
markust: I seriously doubt that a guy that got erections staring at girls in study hall was 'born gay'. He either 'cracked' or decided to get revenge on his ex-GF, no one knows and he wouldn't talk about it with anyone. Like the flip side of a coin, he's a completely different person now.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:49:10 PM
No, not in the sense that someone dies and completely becomes another creature (though I'd prefer that over an eternal afterlife, it doesn't make logical sense, considering what makes us /us/ is our brains which will die just as we die).

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