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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:05:31 PM
But man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and shew them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of those good offices which we stand in need of. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages.
-Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:57:19 PM
Crakr:
1)you said Hubris
2)The argument was not about Angillion in the first place, yet you debated him and then got to a point where you couldn't refute his points and then item #1 happens.
Thus it is Ad hominem. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:41:21 AM
Cajun: Not ad hominem, he believes he's morally superior to God.
"You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire; you build egos the size of cathedrals; fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse; grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green, gold-plated fantasies, until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own God... and where can you go from there?"
John Milton, Al Pacino, Devil's Advocate 1997 |
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 akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:50:12 AM
3) I certainly do apply human rules to alleged gods. If they exist, they might be able to compel my obedience through force. If they want my respect, they must earn it. They do not do so by being petulant psychotic mass-murdering nutjobs who make the most unstable drug-crazed gang leader look like a paragon of virtue.
*i hope this works*
So, for every breath you take, and for blink you make, or when you sleep, your body works even though the brain is resting, this isn't enough of a reason to respect a god? That, if you commit a sin, you still have a chance to redeem yourself, and if you do it in private, it isn't exposed? That is not enough? |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, February 13, 2012 5:00:28 PM
And there it is, Hubris, your pride won't let you believe in a God, or you feel you're morally superior to one.
So that's all you got, one final ad hominem? You might as well concede the argument. |
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 panda_chaos
Female, 18-29, Western US
235 Posts
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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:06:03 PM
Why does he have a cup of his own urine next to him...? |
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 Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
591 Posts
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Monday, February 13, 2012 1:13:52 PM
Hey look, an Islamic version of Fred Phelps! |
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 lawndartsftw
Male, 40-49, Canada
1815 Posts
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Monday, February 13, 2012 1:03:03 PM
Blah blah blah kill kill kill hate hate hate etc etc etc. This guy said nothing whatsoever about religion, nothing at all. It was a political speech about tyranny and demagoguery. It wouldn't surprise we in the least if he had concentration camp/gulag plans in his briefcase..... |
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 Izaq
Male, 30-39, Europe
175 Posts
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Monday, February 13, 2012 6:54:45 AM
Blahblah death, torture, murder and destruction blahblah to please Allah the MERCIFUL...
Right... |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Monday, February 13, 2012 2:31:06 AM
if ants were sentient, they would be right to judge humans.
And there it is, Hubris, your pride won't let you believe in a God, or you feel you're morally superior to one. |
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 Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9533 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:37:04 PM
Angilion: Once again, applying human rules to God is stupid, as stupid as ants applying rules to you.
There are 3 sections of my answer to that:
1) OK...so you can't claim *anything* for you god. No mercy, no love, no kindness...*nothing*. All our definitions of anything not strictly physical are applications of human rules.
2) I'm not talking about your god. I'm talking about you and the massive internal inconsistency in your argument.
3) I certainly do apply human rules to alleged gods. If they exist, they might be able to compel my obedience through force. If they want my respect, they must earn it. They do not do so by being petulant psychotic mass-murdering nutjobs who make the most unstable drug-crazed gang leader look like a paragon of virtue.
And if ants were sentient, they would be right to judge humans. But they're not. So it's not a legitimate comparison. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:45:30 PM
Angilion: Once again, applying human rules to God is stupid, as stupid as ants applying rules to you. |
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poonoodle
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
28 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:51:40 PM
It's an IAB special. The italics tag is quote, not italics or i.
Thanks for the heads up, Angilion. |
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 patticakes
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
457 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:09:09 PM
I can't believe that Liam Neeson said he wants to convert to Islam. It is obviously satanic in nature. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9533 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:53:23 PM
I'm new to posting here and I'm trying to get italics to work.
It's an IAB special. The italics tag is quote, not italics or i.
So [***quote]text in italics here[***/quote]
and remove the asterisks, obviously. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9533 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:51:28 PM
Actually, it is inaccurate to say that your religion has us as slaves of your god.
In some cases, slaves had some rights. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:50:12 PM
I never said that. We are not 'slaves to God', we have free will, we are not puppets on strings.
A slave has free will. Their owner might kill them for using it, or for failing to anticipate their every whim, or for being in the same town as someone who maybe did something wrong, or as a message to other slaves, or for not being submissively obedient to the extent their owner demands, or for any reason. Just like your religion says your god did, over and over again. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9533 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:44:19 PM
Angilion: It's not wrong for God to punish sin. Wouldn't you punish your child if they took a hammer to your laptop ?
I wouldn't kill everyone in the same town for it, because I'm not a deranged mass-murdering sociopath.
But that's not the point. Your bible says that your god did many things that very much go directly against what you say Christianity is about. That is a massive contradiction in your argument. You cannot resolve that contradiction. |
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poonoodle
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
28 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:58:41 PM
Yeah, I did. Sorry, I'm new to posting here and I'm trying to get italics to work. Here is the post so people know what you are replying to. I didn't know you'd be that fast.
Christ did not teach violence <--supposed to be italicized. =)
"And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." Revelations 2:22...Quoting Jesus
Just sayin.
And I believe that it wasn't until gentle Jesus meek and mild that we had the idea of eternally punishing the dead for not guessing the correct mythology to follow. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:51:36 PM
Wait a sec.. did he just delete his post ? |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:50:39 PM
poonoodle: Again, revelations is prophecy written by John, and hasn't happened yet.
It also wasn't until Jesus that anyone was assured a place in heaven, not even high priests could make that boast. |
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akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1051 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:32:23 AM
well, we have free choice, not free will. If we could will anything, then we could break the laws of the universe. We choose to obey our master, or to disobey. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:42:25 AM
akabane: I never said that. We are not 'slaves to God', we have free will, we are not puppets on strings. |
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akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1051 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:03:28 AM
it is like crakrjak says, we are slaves to God, and God is our master. If a slave told the master what to do, what would happen? Whether we like it or not, that is reality. |
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 almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
4278 Posts
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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:23:39 AM
Wouldn't you punish your child if they took a hammer to your laptop ?
If I gave them a hammer and my laptop to play with, probably not. It would be my fault, not the child's. |
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