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 xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2419 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 1:11:43 PM
I'm with Quackor: It's more like a music video for crappy electronica. |
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 Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9537 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 1:09:51 PM
In order for there to be an observable universe, there must be an observer
Why?
In order for there to be an *observed* universe, there must be an observer. 'observed' and 'observable' don't have the same meaning.
on top of that, you're citing the existence of a ratio of distances that is commonly found to occur (and commonly found not to occur as well) as *proof* of the existence of a god. That's not proof. It's not even evidence. |
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 Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
23995 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 12:14:11 PM
Save the time.. the boom then now! history explained! |
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 LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2696 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 12:09:56 PM
@Samsquanch - sorry to break it to you, but that's not proof of god. It's a human observation, nothing magical about it, and it can be explained by science in at least some sense. |
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 greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
2125 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 10:42:42 AM
so when did satan make old dinosaur bones and hide them underground for us to find wayyyy in the future just to confuse us?? i missed that part |
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 Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
2665 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 9:06:17 AM
oh, and you are all wrong, there isnt an ultrablackhole because the initial density variations (shown in the microwave background) would be the seeds of structure that would grow over time to become the galaxies |
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Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
2665 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 9:02:56 AM
should be less pretty animations and more science |
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 Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
794 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 4:07:21 AM
...now, on the flip side of the coin. No proof of God?
May I present, The Golden Ratio
Proof that Zeus Almighty is sitting up there lobbing lightning bolts at us, and throwing us into Hades if we've been bad? No. Proof that there's some higher complexity to the order of the universe that we will never in a billion years comprehend? Yes.
God is in physics and math. Complexity, and order that appears to exist with a cause. An intelligent cause? Well, not the way that we conceive of intelligence...but, that would be like amoebas trying to compare their intellect to ours. In order for there to be an observable universe, there must be an observer...and the observable universe existed for 14 by. Ergo, the universe must observe itself in much the same way our conscious thought is perceived by ourselves. |
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Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
794 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 4:00:45 AM
[quote">If the big bang really happened, that would mean all the matter in the universe was in one giant mass. Which would make it an ultra-blackhole. How, then, did anything escape it's gravitational field?[/quote">
And that, my friend, is why we have the largest and most expensive man-made object ever constructed. The Large Hadron Collider |
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 PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
1336 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 4:00:14 AM
Iron Maiden is proof of god's existence! |
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 beternal
Male, 18-29, Europe
1848 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 2:24:44 AM
Right here... right now... right here... right now...  |
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 clockwork208
Male, 30-39, Western US
834 Posts
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Friday, February 10, 2012 1:57:02 AM
Heh, keep feedin' the trolls. Good 10 minutes of my life right there. |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11676 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:04:29 PM
well right off the bat, we see a big bang theory thats theorized to be 13 zillion years ago. This is palatable and probable but god is not?
Hmm, let's see here. *Checks tsiemens user profile*.
Religion: Christian.
Politics: Conservative.
Ah yes, I think I see what's happened here. And some people wonder why America is going down the toilet... |
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 mervviscious
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
1785 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:28:14 PM
much more believeable than the invisable friend thing... |
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Wowummwow
Male, 18-29, Western US
263 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:54:01 PM
"If the big bang really happened, that would mean all the matter in the universe was in one giant mass. Which would make it an ultra-blackhole. How, then, did anything escape it's gravitational field?"
A more direct response:
Outward pressure >> Weak gravity
Makes big boom
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Wowummwow
Male, 18-29, Western US
263 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:45:08 PM
"If the big bang really happened, that would mean all the matter in the universe was in one giant mass. Which would make it an ultra-blackhole. How, then, did anything escape it's gravitational field?"
To start out, there are four forces of nature (field forces): strong force, weak force, electro-magnetic, and gravity. What is really cool about them is that as temperatures and pressures rise, these forces actually combine and fuse together. If matter-energy is compacted to an extreme limit and temperatures rise to an obscene level, in theory all of these forces will merge into what's called the unified field and thus at the moment of the big bang gravity itself would not have existed anyway.
Currently we are able to combine three of those four, but unfortunately people are finding it a tad difficult to recreate the conditions of the big bang to mesh the last one (gravity) in. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9537 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:43:11 PM
well right off the bat, we see a big bang theory thats theorized to be 13 zillion years ago. This is palatable and probable but god is not?
Billion, not zillion. What's unpalatable and improbable about that? Just because it's a longer period of time than a person can intuitively understand, that doesn't make it improbable. You don't really intuitively understand much longer than a normal lifespan, certainly not more than centuries.
There is a great deal of evidence supporting the beginning of the universe happening that long ago. There's a great deal of evidence supporting the universe developing in the way described by the big bang theory. Quite a bit of the evidence for both is accessible without advanced maths or physics.
The evidence for the existence of any particular god is nil. And no, faith is not evidence. That's ludicrously circular "logic" - faith is evidence because the faith says it is. |
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LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2696 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:04:15 PM
@tsiemens - There's no proof of a god besides stories told by other humans, there is proof of the big bang (though I believe there are other theories about the beginning of the universe, it's just a more popular one, but don't quote me on this, I don't care enough about how the universe began to have researched it). That in itself makes it more probable than a god. Though the two aren't necessarily separate. There are people who believe a god started the big bang and whatnot. |
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 akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1051 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:01:59 PM
I love the realistic sounds this video has. |
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 tsiemens
Male, 30-39, Canada
432 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 4:06:26 PM
well right off the bat, we see a big bang theory thats theorized to be 13 zillion years ago. This is palatable and probable but god is not? |
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 ScottSerious
Male, 18-29, Western US
5329 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:39:05 PM
nope. it was god. |
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 earthshone
Male, 18-29, Western US
1699 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:37:18 PM
Science is stoopid. |
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 QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
1762 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 3:15:29 PM
"Australopithecus would really have been sick of us debating why were here. They're catching deer (we're catching viruses) Religion or Astronomy Encarta Deuteronomy It all started with the Big Bang Music and Mythology Einstein and Astrology It all started with the Big Bang. IT ALL STARTED WITH THE BIG, BANG!"  |
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 Revolutioniz
Male, 18-29, Western US
914 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:48:11 PM
If the big bang really happened, that would mean all the matter in the universe was in one giant mass. Which would make it an ultra-blackhole. How, then, did anything escape it's gravitational field?
The physics of a singularity work far different from a black hole. especially since there was no universe around it for gravity to even exist. When it expanded, it created space, and the laws of physics. Essentially we have no idea how it would have behaved or even come to being. But that's why we're making theories and studying. |
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 nubblins
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
1580 Posts
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Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:46:38 PM
Ang, I was being facetious. :P |
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