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Teacher Vs Preacher

Hits: 10151 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: Misc. | Added by: kitteh9lives
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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15129 Posts
Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:52:28 PM
I'm an atheist/agnostic, but I'd have to say that the "professor" made a complete ass of himself.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:50:06 AM
Isn't that likely because the class is tough and from past experience, they've noticed that only a portion of the class does enough work/studies hard enough/gets enough help to actually pass? I've never met a professor who wants the students to fail or fails students for no reason. I have met professors who want to teach us and aren't going to be lenient just because some people don't try hard enough.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17311 Posts
Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:38:47 AM
Lillian: Having several graduates, in my circle of family and friends, as well as my own experiences, have taught me how many professors see it as their duty to be gatekeepers. I've had a few professors say up front, first day of class, that only a third or fourth of the class would pass their class.

If you haven't encountered one of these 'gatekeepers' yet, consider yourself fortunate so far. One day you likely will, so don't be surprised.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 5:58:01 PM
@CrakrJak - Overall ratings don't mean much. Perhaps there's more kids going to private schools who are self entitled and are going there only because their parents are rich and payed for it, thus they slack in class, and get pissed off at their teachers for not giving them A's and then rate them poorly.

Even in my uni, I know a lot of people rate professors based on how easy they are, not how good they are at teaching or how much they learned or w/e. That'd explain why community colleges tend to get higher ratings, because the classes tend to be easier so even if a teacher wasn't all that great, they can still get good ratings.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17311 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 5:01:18 PM
Lillian: Go to any 'rate your professor' website and take a look at some the schools overall ratings.

I believe you'll find schools like Harvard, Yale, Columbia, and other 'Ivy League' universities to be rated at a 2 or less on a 5 point scale. Compare that with public universities with ratings of 3 to 3.5. Those with some of the highest ratings seem to be technical and vocational schools and community colleges.

jtrebowski: Just because a part-time professors may be teaching some classes doesn't mean those colleges and universities aren't still paying their full-time tenured professors their salaries.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24835 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 12:08:30 PM
lol

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 12:06:49 PM
@iscariot40 - That's why the university you go to matters. Employers can usually tell the joke universities from the legitimate ones that actually require hard work to pass...

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 12:05:40 PM
@MeGrendel - My issue is that you're taking majors offered at a single universities and trying to use it to discredit universities.

Direct quote from you: "Have you even BEEN to a univesity lately? Granted, while a few have some decent research, the majority of professors and students are not trying to solve anything."

Your proof for that seemed to be very very very rare majors, ones most likely taken by the kinds of people who go to college to party and not to study. I do have an issue with someone trying to discredit the research of my university professors and fellow students, by pointing out the minority of stupid majors and trying to make universities look like a joke.

iscariot40
Male, 30-39, Western US
 39 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 9:58:24 AM
@MeGrendel how does having a degree prove that you're willing to learn? All it proves is that you gave a university so much money over x number of years putting in the minimum effort for them to go you can have this piece of paper.

whipplefunk
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 703 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 9:44:09 AM
Logic Motherdrater. Do you speak it?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4864 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 9:32:38 AM
@patchgrabber

Can't dissagree. Sometime the fact that you HAVE a degree is more important than what it is in. To some it proves you're willing to put in effort to learn.

My first serious job was as a chemical lab tech. It required a degree (not a chemical degree, just a degree). Well, my degree was in graphic design, but it still qualified me for the job. I eventually worked my way up to Research Chemist before going back to a job in Graphic Design.

Major point...never stop learning.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 8:08:27 AM
@MeGrendel: Something I've been noticing in the last few years is a plethora of recent grads with bullpoo arts degrees actually getting good, high-paying jobs. I know a girl with an economics degree (not necessarily useless, but just wait) who got a job with some gold company as a PR rep or something. She's making six figures doing nothing related to her degree. Her boss? 26 years old, $200,000/year. What degree does he have? History. F*cking history. Most companies don't necessarily like uncomfortable truths and facts devaluing their business, so they hire an arts grad, who has likely gotten through uni by arguing and writing a bunch of BS opinion papers because this person will be better at spinning negative outcomes for the business.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4864 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 8:03:27 AM
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for higher education. The vast majority of our future scientists, artist, doctors, businessmen and (unfortunately) lawyers require a solid base of an education. Great advances come from the student research. The plusses far outweigh the bullpoo. (which is why we have to put up with the bullpoo).

My daughter is attending one of the best Vet schools in the country (but I still make fun of the fact that some of her classes are in the 'Poultry Science' building).

In fact, quite a few people thought MY major was one of those 'stupid' ones. But it's made me plenty of money through the years.

But, Puppet Studies? Okay, I can see the success of Jim Henson and Jeff Dunham, but that's pretty limited.

And LGBT studies? Not much of a market at all.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4864 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 7:41:08 AM
Actual courses/classes.
-Football Culture (George Mason University)
-Queer Musicology (UCLA)
-Phylosophy and Star Trek (Georgetown University )
-Emotional Literacy (Vanuatu University)
-The study of Zombies (University of Baltimore)
-Why Occupy Wall Street? (New York University)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4864 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 7:40:43 AM
LillianDulci-"Just because the class exists, doesn't mean that there's a major based on that class, like MeGrendel seems to be saying... "

Reading comprehension problem? I provided two lists. One list is titled 'Actual Majors', and one titled 'Actual courses' (i.e. 'class')

Which of those titles did you not understand? They specifically delineate which items are 'Majors' and which are 'courses'. (hint: if it's listed under the 'Actual major', it's a major, not a class).

I'll even provide the schools.

Actual Majors:
-Women's studies. (Bar-Ilan University & others sometimes called 'Gender studies', but it's only concerned with one gender)
-LGBT studies (University of Maryland, Yale, University of Arizona)
-Puppetry (University of Connecticut)
-Comic Book Art (Minneapolis College of Art and Design)
-Surfing Studies (Southern Cross Univesity)
-Secularism (Pitzer College)
-Religion (numerous)


patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 7:09:12 AM
Some professors believe it is their job to weed out the people they feel can't hack it. I never said they are evil, I said they are dictators, at least the tenured ones. If you want to know why private universities are so extremely expensive it's because of the professors, lately the public universities have started to follow suit.

You know what? I'm going to mostly agree with crakr on this one. I don't think the majority of professors are a-holes, and I also don't think professors are the reason uni is expensive (it's admin. It's always admin), however I DO agree that just about all of them have over-inflated opinions of themselves, and DO have quite a high sense of entitlement.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 6:40:46 AM
@MeGrendel: I know I've seen some ridiculous classes at some universities, like Jedi studies or whatever. There is a lot of waste in uni's to be sure, but I'm seeing more and more cutting of programs that don't offer as much monetary value to the aforementioned university, and I don't necessarily agree with all of it. In Canada there is a big push for uni's to become "self-sustainable", which ostensibly seems good, but there are a lot of useful programs that are getting cut due to funding issues now. The uni campus my work is on has cut a lot of programs (mostly in the arts so I'm not too disappointed) but I don't think that a uni should essentially be a business first. A business yes, but not a business first.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 6:05:04 AM
CrakrJak: " If you want to know why private universities are so extremely expensive it's because of the professors, lately the public universities have started to follow suit."

Wrong again. Most universities and colleges are relying more and more on part-time professors who make a lot less than full-time tenured ones.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 5:42:52 AM
@CrakrJak - You're still trying to apply a teeny tiny minority of bad teachers to the majority. Those types aren't common.

StillCrazee
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 40 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 3:12:16 AM
Can't wait for the day when we are laughing at the poor quality of these cell phone videos..like we laugh now at ancient cracked polaroids.

beternal
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2477 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 2:18:36 AM
lol "If I jump off the side of this building here, I will splat over there on the side walk whether I believe in gravity or not"

That is the best argument in the whole world!!! - using a fact that we all know will happen but cannot explain (sort of) to prove the existence of something we believe in...

clockwork208
Male, 30-39, Western US
 838 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 1:20:48 AM
"99 percent of professors with tenure are dictators, 99 percent of professors are pompous, bad teachers"
"99 percent of what planned parenthood does is abortion"
"99 percent of Occupy protesters are liberal college students"

What is it with people making sh*t up, putting "99 percent" in front of their opinions and presenting it as it were a fact?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17311 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 1:11:41 AM
HiEv: I hold no position of power here at IAB and if I didn't tolerate different opinons, why would I even come back to IAB ?

Lillian: Some professors believe it is their job to weed out the people they feel can't hack it. I never said they are evil, I said they are dictators, at least the tenured ones. If you want to know why private universities are so extremely expensive it's because of the professors, lately the public universities have started to follow suit.

Altaru: Yes I went to college and no I'm basing all of my statements on my own experience. Quit pulling your assumptions 'out of your ass'.

LuckyDave
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 674 Posts
Friday, February 10, 2012 12:19:36 AM
Crakr, I see words in your posts, but all it comes across as is this...


Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:06:46 PM
@Crakr

Did you even GO to college?

And yes, this is relevant.

Because if you didn't then suddenly we all know without a doubt that you're pulling your opinions out of your ass (like about 2/3 of what you say anyway). OH, and what Fox "News" tells you, of course.

If you did... Then suddenly we all know that you're basing your opinions off the minority that you had to deal with while you were in school.

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this question, but I just want a yes or no confirmation.

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