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Mythbusters Episode About RFID Chip Banned

Hits: 13028 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: Science | Added by: kitteh9lives
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Monday, February 06, 2012 7:41:54 AM
Oh just looked they do have credit cards with RFIDs here's the solution don't get one. It's just a hyped up barcode that can have more info to it you could probably do the same with a mobile mag stripe reader. Really though whats the point of that swiping the card was too hard?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Monday, February 06, 2012 7:33:28 AM
I work with barcodes and such but haven't seen much RFID because it usually not worth the cost. I don't understand this though credit cards use magnetic strips not RFIDs. RFIDs are usually small tag used for inventory system with radio waves never heard of a credit card using one are they mixing up mag stripe readers and RFID readers?

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Monday, February 06, 2012 1:03:40 AM
I've hated those things since the day they were imposed upon us.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Monday, February 06, 2012 1:03:08 AM
Wow.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12119 Posts
Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:00:29 AM
Here's how you protect yourself from 99% of RFID theft and still use it for Oyster-style swiping: Get a wallet with a swing out card flap. Put your RFID cards in that flap. Line your wallet with tinfoil. When you swipe, swing out the flap. Also check your card bills.

Simple. Cheap. Effective.

Protect yourself. The card issuers who self insure rely on a low detection rate by customers and that's why they do not want Mythbusters telling all the world how easy it is to do. Not because they worry that thieves will figure it out (they already have), but if the public checks their bills, the card issues will foot a bigger bill.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12119 Posts
Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:53:11 AM
This is what a skimming attack looks like: an employee at a vendor who takes face to face credit card payments (usually a restaurant) skims cards and sells the data to a syndicate that makes a whole bunch of cloned cards from each card and the syndicate members shop with the cards till the card issuer spots that a card can't be used in so many places simultaneously and cuts it then refunds the card holder. The skimmer often gets busted by associating the stolen cards to one POS. It's for desperate people.

OTOH, A RFID skimmer moves through rush hour crowds picking up lots of hits. The data is quickly disseminated and shopping done. The payoff is lower, but the chance of getting caught is almost impossible.

furrything
Male, 50-59, Europe
 800 Posts
Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:45:45 AM
Yeah....they're looking to implant these things under your SKIN!!

Datastrom
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 31 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:25:05 PM
Saw something about this the other day in an article. Hackers can read your credit cards through clothes

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12119 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:38:26 PM
Oh yeah, the threat is real. The problem is that if it is done only once, then there's almost no way for the credit card company to detect that the one charge is fraudulent, unless the cardholder spots the charge on the bill, the cardholder pays for it.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11327 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:00:21 PM
The super-duper security the banks talk about does make it much more difficult to steal money more than once from the same RFID card, but that doesn't actually matter. It's not difficult to steal money once from an RFID card. It's not difficult to collect the necessary data from multiple RFID cards. So they just steal once from 100 people to steal lots of money, rather than stealing one set of card details and using it maybe a dozen times before the theft is noticed.

If you think 100 card detail thefts seems an unreasonable amount, you're still thinking in terms of pre-RFID theft, which required physical access (through pickpocketing or whatever). It's trivial to pass close enough to 100 people to read the RFID card(s) they're carrying. You could probably do it without moving if you sit in the right place at a busy train or bus station. Scanner in your pocket reads the RFID cards in their pockets as they walk past you - job done.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11327 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:52:28 PM
I've seen several products that are supposed to stop wireless card thefts. I thought they were the dumbest idea ever, cause I thought there was no way someone could remotely scan your bank or credit card.

This leads me to think, that perhaps you can.



You definitely can. RFID is inherently indiscriminate - any suitable unit can trigger it to broadcast and read the broadcast. That includes scanners anyone can buy for very little money - they're widely available online.

At the very least, it can be used to track your movements.

The *current* implementations of RFID in bank cards have already been hacked. Most recently, live on stage and on camera. The hacker read a volunteer's bank card remotely and took $15 out of their bank account while giving them $20 to make it legal - she was selling them the $20 bill.

No wonder they don't want it to be public knowledge. RFID cards are innately insecure.

Flibmeister
Female, 18-29, Europe
 840 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:43:56 PM
the whole fear of RFID chips is why my Oyster card is an unregistered one.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24505 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:31:56 PM
Nothings full proof.... its the sense of security that makes poeple feel safe

grindinblade
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 229 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:15:21 PM
My cousin is getting his PhD in power engineering, he does a lot of work with RFIDs and has a few patents. If you want to block scanners just wrap that card in aluminum (either aluminum wallet or foil). Also this a way to beat RFIDs in the store (like found in DVDs), just wrap it in foil and walk through the scanner it won't go off.

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:01:39 PM
I've seen several products that are supposed to stop wireless card thefts. I thought they were the dumbest idea ever, cause I thought there was no way someone could remotely scan your bank or credit card.

This leads me to think, that perhaps you can.

houtex
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 61 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:27:56 AM
It's kinda important to note:
http://tinyurl.com/5droh8
It's not exactly what you see here. More like "oh, you don't need us.." instead of "zOMG WE WILL KILL YOU IF YOU AIR IT." Quite a bit of difference. In case that matters to anyone who doesn't want to go all in on the "zOMG" version...

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4244 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:17:46 AM
thats scary. think we're all nuts now? huh?

Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
 4012 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:04:18 AM
Then maybe it should be exposed what a joke the RFID security really is.

Unless something has been thoroughly tested and proven, don't invest and force a technology upon your customers...

Dummies.

Tubby12370
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1369 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:59:08 AM
This has nothing to do with controlling us, this has to deal with the security of the credit cards, if someone was somehow able to replicate what mythbusters did, it would open a chance for large scale Identity theft, or fraudulent charges.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16941 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:28:18 AM
RFID is Big Brother and that is not tinfoil hat paranoia.

kitteh9lives
Female, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 1422 Posts
Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:16:04 AM
Link: Mythbusters Episode About RFID Chip Banned [Rate Link] - Visa, Mastercard, Discover and American Express put a stop to it. They control us all.


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