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Christian Sermon On Gay Pride

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mcboozerilla
Male, 30-39, Europe
 649 Posts
Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:23:59 AM
"Isn't this the way you want to believe all Christians (or people in general) should think and act?"

Huh, that's not passive-aggressive poo-kicking, is it?

You know, there are different levels in being a Christian. It's a process, and there are as many things to separate a Christian from full communion with God as there are to separate an atheist.

ReBoot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 229 Posts
Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:08:14 AM
the passivity was what was morally wrong in that cultural context.


That does seem to fit with the other possible meanings of the word.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:45:49 PM
Incidentally, if anyone looks into the possible meanings of "arsenokoitai", comes across the suggestion that it refers to men who play a passive role in homosexual sex and wonders why on earth that's suggested as a possibility - it's a matter of cultural context.

The verse would have been written in the Roman empire and intended to be read by Romans. Homosexual sex between men was generally considered reasonable and acceptable behaviour in Roman society before it was conquered by Christianity, but it was generally considered unacceptable for a Roman man to play a passive role in it. Not for the sex in particular, but because a Roman man who was a free citizen wasn't supposed to play a passive role in anything - the passivity was what was morally wrong in that cultural context.

ReBoot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 229 Posts
Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:33:48 PM
@Angilion

Tahnks. will read.

Shaunoli
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 64 Posts
Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:52:31 AM
What other book is still deciphered as fact that we follow today other than religious text. It's like saying that cavemen had a better understanding of how the wheel worked, and if you question anything that caveman said, your an idiot. When will we understand that, as a race we do evolve, maybe not as much physically as mentally, to better understand what God really is. Just because some dude said it 2000 years ago, and some other guy thought it was right, doesnt make it right. Open your mind and eventually you can see the wonders of what God really is. Stop putting God in some little box (or Book) and saying thats what god is.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:43:56 AM
[quote">Wow, seriously? Gotta love dogma.
Can you link me or tell me what that word is so i can look it up?[/quote">

Sure. The word is arsenokoitai. Well, it's Greek but that's the usual English transliteration.

Other than that, the only verse in the NT that might be condemning homosexuality is the one in Romans 1 that appears to be translated and interpreted in much the same way, i.e. the condemnation of homosexuality came first and the passage was made to fit it.

Some links:

Discussion about the arsenokoitai verses

Discussion of the verse in Romans 1

ReBoot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 229 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 6:35:44 PM
condemnation of homosexuality in the NT relies solely on deciding that a word nobody knows the meaning of means "homosexual"


Wow, seriously? Gotta love dogma.
Can you link me or tell me what that word is so i can look it up?

maggierose78
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 676 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 5:24:09 PM
So it's like telemarketing then? Here brotha, have some Koooool-Aid!


If that is how you feel then fine. However, I do feel that your mockery and skewed reasoning is completely wrong.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 4:50:52 PM
@Angilion You don't live in the US and see how many Christians react toward gay people. How our politics is dominated by Christian's that invoke their own belief system on an ancient text to decide that gay's can't marry. I am not saying that all christians are homophobic but when the policies here are decided based on christian belief systems than it is christians who are largely responsible for the oppression.


Please explain to me why you think that a Christian who is homosexual and who preaches that homosexuality is fine in Christianity is responsible for the oppression of LGBTetc people.

Or are you just another bigot who denies the entire concept of individuality and insists that everyone be defined and judged by group identity? If so, you won't be able to understand what I'm saying because you won't really be able to differentiate between one person and another.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 4:46:04 PM
In both the old and new testaments, homosexuality is labeled sin


Shall we do this one again?

I can give you chapter, verse and clear reasoning that leads to the conclusion that it is internally consistent for a Christian to conclude that the traditional interpretation is wrong and that homosexuality is actually OK.

Also, the NT only says that homosexuality is a sin in certain English interpretations. For example, are you aware that almost all of the alleged condemnation of homosexuality in the NT relies solely on deciding that a word nobody knows the meaning of means "homosexual"? I'm not joking about that. The belief that homosexuality is wrong came first and those who wanted to believe it wrote their version of the NT to support it. You could just as easily "translate" the word to mean "Canadians" and claim the NT says that being Canadian is a sin.

ReBoot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 229 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 4:00:36 PM
@LillianDulci

Either i'm misunderstanding you or you misunderstood the thrust of my post because i totally agree with you.
Christians like to keep things like the 10 commandments or the parts of leviticus that work for their conservative agenda. Everything else gets filed under "Oh that's in the OLD testament, you don't need to worry about that" It's really pretty irritating.
How do they reconcile the bloodthirsty, jealous god of the old testament with the benevolent father figure of the new? Was god wrong the first time? Is he bipolar?

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24830 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 1:15:15 PM
1:46... he was totally checking him out

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 12:41:29 PM
"Jesus upholds all the laws of his father. All he really does is moderate some of them like how it's ok to pull your mule out of a ditch even if it's the sabbath or whatever."

Code words for: Whatever's in the OT that we don't like, we'll get rid of. Whatever's in the OT that we like, we'll keep.

ReBoot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 229 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 12:14:02 PM
@tsiemens
All those shocking things people quote from places like leviticus are meant to show how things were before Christ came to fix all those problems


you're going to want to read your bible more carefully :

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
Matthew 5:17

Jesus upholds all the laws of his father. All he really does is moderate some of them like how it's ok to pull your mule out of a ditch even if it's the sabbath or whatever.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 11:26:45 AM
My job is to tell people about Christ and invite them to church.


So it's like telemarketing then? Here brotha, have some Koooool-Aid!

maggierose78
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 676 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 11:13:12 AM
I partially agree with what he said.

1) I think that compassion and love are the greatest gifts that a Christian can give, and if that means handing out water as a compassionate act, that is the right path.

2) I would actually love it to see GLBT in church worshiping God, and I feel bad that the Church has not allowed these people (and forgive me for using the term "these people" it is a crude terminology) to worship God. It is not my job to judge what is considered moral and what isn't considered moral. My job is to tell people about Christ and invite them to church. I let God do the rest.

My church would accept a heterosexual couple living together in an unwed relationship, but I seriously doubt that they would accept a homosexual couple. In God's eyes, there is no difference, and that is extremely sad. God builds bridges, but man tears those bridges down.

I'm sorry for the sermon. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

bedbugsbite
Female, 18-29, Canada
 41 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 10:45:21 AM
That was beautiful.

LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 9:55:24 AM
Isn't this the way you want to believe all Christians (or people in general) should think and act?

Not quite, but it is a step in the right direction, of course. A big step actually.

...By which I mean, the tolerance and civility is good, but keep your god to yourself.

pmarren
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 4471 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 9:23:00 AM
That one guy, behind the float, whipped his dick out.

Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 438 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 9:13:01 AM
"These are old testament laws, eleiminated by the new testament."

Well then Christians can just get rid of the Old Testament then right? Why even have a Bible with the Old Testament if it is not relevant....oh that's right it's because Jesus said he did not come to change the law...and some Christians say he did anyway, and some say he didn't....it's all BS.

Funkytoes
Female, 18-29, Europe
 168 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 7:39:35 AM
SmagBoy1: "Where would Christ call for *that*? You can't use the NT to overwrite the OT, and then use the OT to condemn gays as sinners"

Thank you. Finally someone who gets it as well. Jesus invited everyone in, he didn't judge! The only ones he "hated" were the Pharisees, because they believed themselves to be oh so right and holy, and were drawing people to a false view of God, condemning people when in truth, God's the only one who can judge!
Jesus' message was love first, then faith and hope. It wasn't condemn, judge and hate...

freebee
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 74 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 6:26:31 AM
That was very profound, I agree. Why can I marry and divorce at will ,but my Uncle and his boyfriends of 20 years will never have the same rights afforded by our nation, that is supposed to be for all citizens of the United States. If you don't like gay marriage then marry someone of the opposite sex, if you dislike the way they live their lives you do not have to speak to them or be friends. Worry about your own and leave the rest be.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 3:39:31 AM
tsiemens, you can pick and choose all you want, but quote something legitimate from the New Testament that allows you to judge gays as sinners? That allows ANYONE to judge ANYONE? Jesus accepted a murderer at the very end, yet some Christians would use a single line in the NT to condemn homosexuals?! A drating murderer?! Some use the OT and NT to justify writing legislation to condemn gays, to force gays to live with fewer rights, less justice, greater discrimination. Where's the justification for that? Where would Christ call for *that*? You can't use the NT to overwrite the OT, and then use the OT to condemn gays as sinners.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 3:34:37 AM
Hey, CoolerThanMe, why aren't you out there oppressing women, being racist against blacks, attacking people of other religions and stoning criminals (you know, like non-virgins who get married, folks who lie against their parents, etc.)? All were prescribed over and over in the Bible, and the Bible was used to not only advocate but to justify those actions--generally by white males. Yet, amazingly, society has decided all of those discrimination are now unacceptable. How is it that you can't see that discrimination against and prejudice against homosexuality and homosexuals is exactly the same thing?

Intaresting
Male, 18-29, Europe
 812 Posts
Friday, January 27, 2012 3:11:24 AM
That was no sermon! That was actually sensical!

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